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110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« on: December 07, 2017, 11:06:33 am »
I'm going to be buying the 2 in 1 sharpening tool that Percy mentioned in a recent thread but that has been discussed numerous times according to my search. But the volume of chains we're going through cutting firewood has me wanting a bench grinder for when their beyond a touchup. I see several Chinese versions available and the Oregon. Anyone have comparisons or experience to share? I've looked at a couple of 12v ones but I'd like one to use in the shop. I had one in my sawshop back in 99-01 but don't remember the brand name. All I know is I liked it and made money with it. But now this is for us.

I finally got out to the shop and saw the 30 dull chains hanging their waiting for me to "fix". This old broken body won't hold up doing that by hand. And so I ask so that I can be part of the job out there.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 01:35:30 pm »
I had a HF and also a Northern bench chain grinder.  I looked at others trying to get one that was fast and accurate and didn't burn teeth.  I was at the Stihl saw dealer a few years ago, and casually watched them sharpen a few chains with a Stihl brand sharpener bench grinder, and it was so easy and accurate compared to my previous experiences, the next thing I knew, I owned one.  It's a great machine, I'm glad I got it as it will sharpen with the 10 top angle most Stihl chains have.  The rock is a black one, and rarely burns a tooth, and there is absolutely no slop in the machine. 
 
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2017, 02:48:14 pm »
Do you have any more info Yellowhammer? According to Stihl's website they do not have a sharpener. Or I can't see!
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2017, 07:47:46 am »
According to Stihl's website they do not have a sharpener.
That's what makes it more interesting, Stihl has their dealers use the good stuff, but they don't openly advertise or sell it.  I asked my dealer how long he had it, he said he'd couldn't remember, but many years and then I asked him how many chains it had sharpened, and he shrugged and said that it was "thousands" and I started examining it and immediately noticed the pivot arm joint was still tight.  His wife looked at me and deadpanned  "you must have to sharpen a lot of chains."  That was the end off the research phase :D and all it took to sell me.  He opened a big dealer catalog and ordered me one.

I know some people don't like grinder sharpened chains, and I've had my share of burned ones with other sharpeners.  I can sharpen fairly good by hand with a file, but when a chain has been rocked, or I need a bunch of long chains sharpened in a hurry (like for my 52" bar when I'm going big log splitting) I will fire this up and knock it out.  I does a real good job. 

 

 
 
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 09:24:35 am »
There are at least two 110V Chinese grinders that abound. One is a small plastic unit that should be avoided and the other one is a 511 Oregon clone. I have the 511 clone, it happened to come from a non-sponsor retailer but is sold many places.  It needed about 4  hours worth of tweaking to get it working correctly, mainly vise issues but has worked well since. The modifications needed have been written up by several people over the years but not sure if on this forum? Search "Chinese chain grinder mods" or similar and you will find threads on the subject.  Although mine now works well I suggest you dig a bit deeper  go with the real deal, especially if you want out of the box performance.
No matter which grinder you choose it will not do a good job on your chains  if you dont keep the stone properly shaped and dressed. The Chinese issue stones are not very good, I use Oregon brand on mine. Most high volume users solve that issue by using a diamond wheel instead of a stone but the costs add up. A new Oregon grinder and aftermarket Diamond wheel will a good deal of cash as compared to a Chinese clone running a stone.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2017, 10:20:47 am »
I get laughed at for this, but I use one of them cheap harbor freight chain sharpeners. Works fine for me. Yeah, its cheap flimsy plastic, but used within it's limitations it is adequate. Comes with a pink wheel, they last a long time, and yes you can burn a tooth with it, but that's an operator problem. Does the rakers also...
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2017, 11:03:20 am »
I get laughed at for this,

Well I wont laugh at ya,
If you get along with it that means your a step ahead of most people cost wise including me.  I looked those cheaper plastic grinders over and knew they are just too flimsy for me to get consistent results with them.  I kinda slam the chains through my grinder vs taking the time to be careful about it. Actually I hand file 95% pf the time and the grinder only gets used when the chains needs major metal removal from hitting non wooden objects.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2017, 11:26:07 am »
YH - that looks better than the one I had in the shop!

Butch - that was what I was picking up from the reviews. My problem is that me and low quality just don't seem to get along. My problem. I know. But I now take Dad's advice and always buy the best I can afford. It has taken much frustration out of my life.  :D

Piney - you and father-in-law would get along good! He was always happy with cheap and did well. I'd grab his wrenches and have skinned knuckles and he'd just chuckle grab the wrench and do it with no harm. How?????   >:(

So I'll take a look at the Oregon unless I get to a Stihl dealer and see what they can offer.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2017, 12:47:31 pm »
I might get a few laughs for my grinder too :D
This is what I use for my rocked out chains. Brings the cutters back to square corners real quick with just a light touch.
Then I finish just as quick with the round file.
I always tell my self "Never lose the feel for free hand filing."
 

  

 

Yellowhammer, you're correct of ordering from Stihl dealers for certain equipment.
Years ago I saw a brand new Stihl bench mount chain breaker and spinner sitting on my dealers counter. I asked him "I want to buy those". He said "Only authorized Stihl dealers can buy those, their for my shop".
Next day I had to go back to this dealer for some chain and saw the breaker and spinner were still sitting there on the counter.
Only his wife was working the counter so I asked her if I could buy them.
She did and today they still work perfect, still on only the 2nd replacement anvil punch. ;D
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2017, 01:34:34 pm »

Yellowhammer, you're correct of ordering from Stihl dealers for certain equipment.
and today they still work perfect, still on only the 2nd replacement anvil punch. ;D
They seem to give the dealers access to "pro grade" long lasting equipment for their dealership use, but have heartache advertising it to the public.  The clamp system is very precise and secure, and pretty much a no brainier, which I need.  For some reason, when I'm sharpening chains, or sawmill bands for that matter, I'm always in a hurry.   :D.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2017, 01:37:57 pm »
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I have a pair of old foley 308 grinders that I bought at a estate garage sale for $25.00 for the pair the  person having the sale didn't know what they were. You could see they hadn't been used in years. Cleaned them up replaced the cords and have been using them for years. They work great. One is set for cutter the other for raker  I would look at a Oregon with a hyd vise so you don't have to loosen the vise to move the chain ahead they look like a nice set up. 

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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2017, 02:07:52 pm »
And even available on Amazon!
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 08:00:16 pm »
Stihl will sell a sharpener to anyone that has $699.99. Its a sellable item, i mean its not dealer item alone. Primary reasons its not advertises is its income for dealers and no one wants pay the 700 bucks.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2017, 09:39:30 pm »
Primary reasons its not advertises is its income for dealers and no one wants pay the 700 bucks.
I was happy to pay the money if it meant the end of me ever fighting with chainsaw sharpening again.  Its a matter of perspective, and everybody's situation is different.  Like many people on this Forum, we run a sawmill business, lumber kiln and retail store front. After paying $1,900 for a sawmill band sharpener, (and another $1,800 for a previous one of lower capability that I later got rid of), $1,600 for a bandsaw setter, $1,200 for my last chainsaw, several others for $900 and up before that, over $200 for my last 48"+ bar, and about $60 per chain just that one saw, $30 for the other chains for the other saws, the price of a professional grade sharpener that sharpens the compound angles of the Stihl chains, and does a very good job, seems reasonable to me.  All expensive equipment isn't good, but usually good equipment is expensive.

I can sharpen decent by hand, and do it routinely throughout the day, but I'm not great at it, and occasionally have to true the chains back up.  Or sometimes, with several saws working on the log deck, bucking dirty logs, we get dull chains stacking up pretty fast.   

It cost about $400 over the Oregon.  That's a decent chunk of change, but I look at the cost of getting a very capable chainsaw sharpener as a worthwhile, long term investment.   So far, its been exactly what I wanted, and I'm glad I did it.  To each his own (old saying). 

 
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 05:43:00 am »
Robert now you look at a cbn wheel for it. Pm me and I'll give you a site to look at. Not sure I should put it on here.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 12:26:08 pm »
Robert now you look at a cbn wheel for it. Pm me and I'll give you a site to look at. Not sure I should put it on here.

Ditto the advice for a cbn wheel.
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Re: 110v Saw Chain Sharpener
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 06:45:29 pm »
Yellow Hammer a quality sharpener once you consider what it can do, its not a liability. It sharpens them right and exactly the same, i have tree folks here that i sharpen a dozen chains a week. 6 bucks isnt a lot but it adds up, i tried talk him into getting one but he said no. plus on those days you cant cut, stick a sign up for sharpening chains, it pay for itself.
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