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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 12:19:34 pm »
there's definitely an art to getting chains right by hand. electric grinders are handy at times,,and gadgets like this are too. from what I've seen around these parts, there are folks that can doctor their own loops while others fight it.
Bottom line to me is I believe most folks that carry a saw all day, burning 5-6 tanks of fuel, they know the art of sharpening, as well as reducing the need for fixing rocked teeth. Some friends of mine do TSI work all year long, private lands, state and federal lands as well, Wes, I call him a human mountain goat, can put an edge on a loop that is unbelievable.  He showed me a few years back, its a process so to speak, but sure makes for an effortless task of felling timber, they just eat away, both sides the bar, bore cuts the same. All said, and I believe it, anything that makes sawing easier is worth a look, and I see no reason why this thingy ma jig won't work,, folks just need the proper file size and know why,
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 08:08:33 pm »
I've got a question.  When I file by hand, I spin the file a bit between sharpening teeth.  I think this keeps the wear even on the file.  I also clean the file a couple of times with a rag while sharpening a 16"chain.  I get quite a bit of residue when I clean the file.  I also "rinse" the file in a bottle of WD 40 to flush the file occasionally.  All of this may be a waste of time when hand filing, but I don't believe I could easily do any of this with the 2 in1 filers.  On the positive side, there's no question I'd get a more uniform ( and probably much better) filing with one of these filers.

I guess my question is how easy is it to change the round files, and especially the flat raker file?

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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 08:26:19 pm »
You can make a file like new again by soaking in a glass jar of battery acid over night.
Rinse with water and baking soda and wipe with oil. It make the file very sharp again.
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 08:59:50 pm »
I don't mean to be stupid here, but do you pour the acid out of a battery ?

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 09:14:18 pm »
I don't mean to be stupid here, but do you pour the acid out of a battery ?

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I keep all the acid out of my dead batteries...
Great for taking rust off other things.
I pickup nice files often out from the junkyard.
They go right in my acid bath. Files look and cut
like new when finished. The acid etches a little
metal off the files and cleans the dirt out that's
what makes them sharp again
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2017, 11:21:20 pm »
I've never heard of this! But then I don't hang around machinist much. I'll have to remember next time I have an old battery to go away and save some acid. I'll need a tall jar for some of the big files though.
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 03:40:50 am »
I'll take some pictures when I do my next batch. Old rusted dirty files
look like new ones when done.
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 03:52:59 am »
Someone beat me to it... I don't dilute the acid.

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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 07:27:37 am »
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 08:34:06 am »
Thats a handy looking rig,ive been sending my chains out to get sharpened at 10.00 a pop,my eyes are not soo good anymore. Think ill track one of these down and give it a try,maybe I can get my son to learn the skill and sharpen them for me .
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2017, 09:09:35 am »
I've got a question.  When I file by hand, I spin the file a bit between sharpening teeth.  I think this keeps the wear even on the file.  I also clean the file a couple of times with a rag while sharpening a 16"chain.  I get quite a bit of residue when I clean the file.  I also "rinse" the file in a bottle of WD 40 to flush the file occasionally.  All of this may be a waste of time when hand filing, but I don't believe I could easily do any of this with the 2 in1 filers.  On the positive side, there's no question I'd get a more uniform ( and probably much better) filing with one of these filers.

I guess my question is how easy is it to change the round files, and especially the flat raker file?

Thanks
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You bring up a good point. The files this unit comes with are very good but after reading your post, I think Ill rotate the round ones after a bit to get max life out of them. I dont presume that this thing will do a better job than a journeyman chainsaw operator. But it will get close and while it seems like Im loafing along, the whole job is done much quicker than the old way....
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Re: Got one of these
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2017, 09:24:25 am »
For cleaning and sharpening files I use white vinegar and let the files soak for 24 hours or so.  Works well.  Don't know how it compares to battery acid, but the white vinegar is easier to handle and always available.  I get a little jumpy handling sulphuric acid, especially trying to pour it out of a battery.  Maybe KB could run a comparison test for us.
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2017, 09:37:51 am »
Battery acid (sulfuric acid) is diluted with water. Still tricky nasty stuff to handle. Vinegar is much safer and works just as well, just a lot slower. I use vinegar to de-rust small parts when re-building stuff..
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 09:57:50 am »
Ok. So first I learn about acid (not the 60's kind) and now I learn that vinegar and patience will do the same thing? That's much better with the children working around the shop all the time.
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2017, 10:49:28 am »
I just unpop the first battery cap and pick it up and dump the acid in a quart jar.
Put on glasses.
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2017, 12:53:34 pm »
I have burned many holes in clothing pulling dead batteries from machinery. A much safer method is to take molasses and dilute it 10:1 with water. Coca-cola could be used as well.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2017, 02:17:31 pm »
I figure at a buck and a quarter, and multiple loops fuzzed down, why even mess with the battery acid thing, now it goes to say waste not want not, but mercy, there's a limit to just how far to go in this.  with the proper (plastic) covers, a round file will, should last for many, many sharpenings, I've found that abuse to files, abuse like improper handling and storing do more, and have to say repairable damage than the actual use of it. I've heard of the acid etching treatment.  With the cross section of the files tooth and the strength of it, the point is pointless, JMO,
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2017, 04:57:30 pm »
In my experience my files get packed with oil and dirt more than getting dull.
The acid eats the dirt away.  I️ use a quart jar with a plastic lid with a
1/2” hole in the middle. I️ just drop the file in the hole and the next day take it out.  I️ have another jar made with the rince.  Wood files fill up fast.
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2017, 05:04:51 pm »
K, be sure to know I was not knocking you or the practice ,, I just got use to brass bushes for files, when they are done, they are gone that's all.
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2017, 05:12:48 pm »
K, be sure to know I was not knocking you or the practice ,, I just got use to brass bushes for files, when they are done, they are gone that's all.

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Did you know you can buy a file brush. It’s not brass but steel. 
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