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Started by Kbeitz, November 23, 2017, 01:34:13 PM

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Kbeitz

My friend about one mile away had his 200 acres of land timbered off.
When the loggers finished up they left tons of wood behind. My friend
said I could have what I want but I had to move it quick. After the Holiday
what was left was going to be cut up for fire wood. For stuff like this you
don't wait around. You snooze you loose... This is my forth load today and
I don't see an end in sight yet. I'll be busy the next couple of days. All I'm
taking so far is Cherry and walnut. There is more oak than I could dream
of getting. Off I go....



 



 



 



 



 



 

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Good for you, it looks like you came real close to finding the load limit of your little crane.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 01:41:46 PM
Good for you, it looks like you came real close to finding the load limit of your little crane.

These two little manure forks on this little 15 hp tractor did all the loading.
One tough little tractor...



 



 
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Treehack

Happy Thanksgiving anyway, K.  You are the epitome of hard work.  Imagine if our politicians had some of the work ethic displayed on this forum.  Maybe you can at least get a break in to have a turkey sandwich :D
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nativewolf

Wonder how they bid that job?  Any walnut buyer would pay hundreds or more for the trailer loads you are bringing. 

Looks very nice and what a fun way to spend the day, cool but dry, good logging weather.

Curious if you are going to seal the ends, did you ever get the starch sealant together?
Liking Walnut

starmac

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about walnut or the commercial buyers, but it looks to me like what he is getting was what was cutoff the logs to make them salable to the buyers. Do the big buyers and mills actually buy crooked logs and crotches and the like?
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Makes me think of the Taco Bell/Godzilla commercial.

"Going to need a bigger box!"

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Kbeitz

Quote from: nativewolf on November 23, 2017, 02:46:12 PM
Wonder how they bid that job?  Any walnut buyer would pay hundreds or more for the trailer loads you are bringing. 

Looks very nice and what a fun way to spend the day, cool but dry, good logging weather.

Curious if you are going to seal the ends, did you ever get the starch sealant together?

I'm still using leftover latex paint. I put it on real heavy. Two coats.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: TKehl on November 23, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
Makes me think of the Taco Bell/Godzilla commercial.

"Going to need a bigger box!"

Not with this little tractor... This last load for today was pushing me hard.



 
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Kbeitz

This is one of the many piles left behind.



 


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WLC

WOW, You hit the motherlode. What I'd give to be able to saw something besides spruce, white birch or cottonwood.  Gonna be some interesting stuff hidden in those logs.
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Wow.  What a waste if it doesn't get put to some kind of use.  That's a LOT of firewood for your neighbor.
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DDW_OR

GREAT NEIGHBOR/FRIEND !!!

my first thought was "wish it was near me" but then i realized i have 2 to 3 foot diameter oak, maple, madrona, cedar, etc, etc
as well as pine, fir, alder.......
"let the machines do the work"

nativewolf

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
I will be the first to admit I know nothing about walnut or the commercial buyers, but it looks to me like what he is getting was what was cutoff the logs to make them salable to the buyers. Do the big buyers and mills actually buy crooked logs and crotches and the like?

yeah they actually do buy it.  Heck I'd buy it at $0.50/bdft doyle.  Any and all and not limits, over 6' I buy it.  And if I buy so do others because we can sell it.

That's really only walnut.
Liking Walnut

Kbeitz

I was finished for the day but I did not want to quit.
The sun had set but off I went for another load.
I got some BIG cheery to get tomorrow.



 

Kinda took out my tail light. Plastic and logs don't mix.



  
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Quote from: WLC on November 23, 2017, 03:25:32 PM
WOW, You hit the motherlode. What I'd give to be able to saw something besides spruce, white birch or cottonwood.  Gonna be some interesting stuff hidden in those logs.

What do you do with the white birch? That stuff just falls apart around here.
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nativewolf

Ok, I take it back.  That white oak log on top of a pile in one picture, I'd buy/sell that too.  It will actually scale ok.  If I can get 7' on a white oak log I'm ok because the buyers are EU and metric so 7' gives you a log with cutoff built in.  Good fun with metric.  I'm pretty darn sure that log is 7', maybe he can measure it for us. 
Liking Walnut

Kbeitz

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
I will be the first to admit I know nothing about walnut or the commercial buyers, but it looks to me like what he is getting was what was cutoff the logs to make them salable to the buyers. Do the big buyers and mills actually buy crooked logs and crotches and the like?

Yea it was cutoffs. The stumps of the trees they took was 4-5 ft across.
They dint want this junk. I think they cut around 100 walnut trees.
Stumps everywhere. 100's of small branches 5-8" dia. laying around.
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starmac

Some use our birch for paneling, flooring even cabinet wood, it is actually some pretty wood if you get in an area where the trees get big enough without rotting in the center. It is also used for trailer decks some.
I would love to get some of the wood you guys have, Oak,cedar,walnut, etc, to play with, but as far as I know there is no way I can haul it up here with the bark on.
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Kbeitz,

   Good looking haul. Congratulations. Would your friend let you pile and stage the stuff you want in the area and buy you some more time? Might could pull out the stuff you want quickly and separate it so it could be placed off limits to firewood cutters and get you some more grace time to move it. You could pile a lot quickly and not lose the travel time. As long as he sees you moving it and actively working it might buy you more time. Also did you offer him a mantel or couple of slab benches or such? Just a thought.

    As to the lights I break them on my similar trailer (Mine is 5X8 - I can't tell if yours is 5X8 or 5X10) so often I buy them at flea markets or such when I see them cheap. I think I have a whole set I paid $10 for at a Flea Market. Seems like TSC has good prices on them. I bought a replacement lens there then found I could buy the whole light for not much more.
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nativewolf

Quote from: Kbeitz on November 23, 2017, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
I will be the first to admit I know nothing about walnut or the commercial buyers, but it looks to me like what he is getting was what was cutoff the logs to make them salable to the buyers. Do the big buyers and mills actually buy crooked logs and crotches and the like?

Yea it was cutoffs. The stumps of the trees they took was 4-5 ft across.
They dint want this junk. I think they cut around 100 walnut trees.
Stumps everywhere. 100's of small branches 5-8" dia. laying around.

Some of those walnut pieces still looked ok.  If you want to stage a hundred or so little walnut pieces someone would buy them, give you a few bucks for the shops. 

Well if they were cutting 4-5' diameter oak and walnut they might have been spoiled after 200 acres but it still amazes me.  200 acres of big hardwood should have been a nice paycheck for your friend. 

Liking Walnut

WLC

Quote from: Kbeitz on November 23, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: WLC on November 23, 2017, 03:25:32 PM
WOW, You hit the motherlode. What I'd give to be able to saw something besides spruce, white birch or cottonwood.  Gonna be some interesting stuff hidden in those logs.

What do you do with the white birch? That stuff just falls apart around here.

Must be a different birch than ours.  Right now I'm mostly cutting 1X4's, 1X6's and a few 2X6's and air drying them for future flooring or furniture projects.  I'll also cut a few slabs if I cut a interesting tree down.  When its dried and planed it looks a lot like hickory.

These were fresh off the sawmill.

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starmac

WLC, do you kiln dry any of your birch? I stopped at Poppets but all I really got from the lady I talked to is they do dry for other folks, not too much as far as pricing goes. I know the sawmill here does have them dry some.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 23, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
Kbeitz,

   Good looking haul. Congratulations. Would your friend let you pile and stage the stuff you want in the area and buy you some more time? Might could pull out the stuff you want quickly and separate it so it could be placed off limits to firewood cutters and get you some more grace time to move it. You could pile a lot quickly and not lose the travel time. As long as he sees you moving it and actively working it might buy you more time. Also did you offer him a mantel or couple of slab benches or such? Just a thought.

    As to the lights I break them on my similar trailer (Mine is 5X8 - I can't tell if yours is 5X8 or 5X10) so often I buy them at flea markets or such when I see them cheap. I think I have a whole set I paid $10 for at a Flea Market. Seems like TSC has good prices on them. I bought a replacement lens there then found I could buy the whole light for not much more.

My friend is to old to watch over the wood pile and the firewood guy can't be trusted.
They already took some stuff they were not to touch. I will just keep plugging away
and be happy with what i get. With hunting season here I think that will give me time
to do whats needed. They will all be hunting. One thing nice about walnut you sure
don't need to be in a hurry to cut it. You can let that stuff lay around for years and
it will still be there. It just gets better and darker with time.
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WLC

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 05:55:59 PM
WLC, do you kiln dry any of your birch? I stopped at Poppets but all I really got from the lady I talked to is they do dry for other folks, not too much as far as pricing goes. I know the sawmill here does have them dry some.

Haven't kiln dried any yet.  I talked to Popperts too and got the feeling they didn't want to fool with "drying for the public".  I guess if it was a full kiln load or more they may change their tune.  I've been kicking around the idea of building a kiln, but solar might get me one load a year and a DH kiln unit is more $$ than I want to spend for my own use.  May try rigging up a DH kiln off plans I found somewhere online using a electric heater and a dehumidifier or may just go with a solar kiln and hope it works.  At least that way if it didn't work I'd have a small storage shed out of the deal or another greenhouse....  Haven't made up my mind just yet.
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starmac

Superior hardwoods up here will do some custom drying, but I need to talk to someone in management. I talked to the gal running their booth at the outdoors show, and iirc she quoted me 1.75 a ft, no matter the quantity.

I inquired about a solar kiln, and was told it just wouldn't work this far north.
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nativewolf

Quote from: Kbeitz on November 23, 2017, 06:59:36 PM
This is the valley I'm working in...



 

PA has a lot of wonderful valleys and that's one of them
Liking Walnut

WDH

Here in my area, that much harvested wood left on a logging site would be unacceptable.  That logger must live high on the hog (old saying), or markets must be very very poor. 
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nativewolf

Yes that is a crazy amount of wood on the deck.  Especially the walnut because ...it is so easy to sell.  Maybe they had to bug out for another job or something?

Liking Walnut

Resonator

I know when we had some cherry harvested a of couple years ago, the buyer only wanted quality veneer grade. He did not want any heart shake or defects. I was picking up as much left over as a I could, along with the burls that had been cut out. Buyer didn't want them either, said they wood just gum up the lathe machinery :)
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starmac

At least in this area, loggers takes everything that the mill will buy and not grade down the load. I assume that would be the standard practice.  it is a shame what is left for firewood or even more likely to rot.
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Kbeitz

I️ only showed you a small amount of what was left behind. There is many large piles.
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starmac

The mill here, the only buyer or game in the area hires contract cutters, and they want it cut at 53 foot with a 6 in top, if the next log is 33 foot and still has a 6 in top, it gets loaded, but they don't want many. They will take it if it is 24 and 6" top but at 18% less money, so it is astonishing the decks many of which are nice and straight straight out of a dangle head processor is left in the woods. Most of it is logistically too far out for firewooders, so most rots after we pull out.
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Quebecnewf

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Superior hardwoods up here will do some custom drying, but I need to talk to someone in management. I talked to the gal running their booth at the outdoors show, and iirc she quoted me 1.75 a ft, no matter the quantity.

I inquired about a solar kiln, and was told it just wouldn't work this far north.

They will work . I am a LOT further north than you and I can dry a load of birch a summer in mine .

Quebecnewf

WLC

Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
The mill here, the only buyer or game in the area hires contract cutters, and they want it cut at 53 foot with a 6 in top, if the next log is 33 foot and still has a 6 in top, it gets loaded, but they don't want many. They will take it if it is 24 and 6" top but at 18% less money, so it is astonishing the decks many of which are nice and straight straight out of a dangle head processor is left in the woods. Most of it is logistically too far out for firewooders, so most rots after we pull out.

Cant yall take stuff to a pellet mill up there, or has it closed down?
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Quote from: Quebecnewf on November 24, 2017, 04:35:11 AM
Quote from: starmac on November 23, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Superior hardwoods up here will do some custom drying, but I need to talk to someone in management. I talked to the gal running their booth at the outdoors show, and iirc she quoted me 1.75 a ft, no matter the quantity.

I inquired about a solar kiln, and was told it just wouldn't work this far north.

They will work . I am a LOT further north than you and I can dry a load of birch a summer in mine .

Quebecnewf


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DDW_OR

Quote from: Kbeitz on November 23, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
I️ only showed you a small amount of what was left behind. There is many large piles.
yep, get the best and easiest first, then the rest later
"let the machines do the work"

Kbeitz

Two loads of cherry yesterday. Going back for some nice walnut today
but I'm going to have to work for this load. It's down over a bank.
Yep I got all the easy stuff first. I still got some easy red oak to get
but I'll save that for last.
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firefighter ontheside

As I drove cross country to Branson MO yesterday, I drove thru a logged area and saw large piles of logs left.  It was only about 15 min from my house.  Wonder if I could contact somebody about taking some of the logs.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: firefighterontheside on November 25, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
As I drove cross country to Branson MO yesterday, I drove thru a logged area and saw large piles of logs left.  It was only about 15 min from my house.  Wonder if I could contact somebody about taking some of the logs.

I would sure check it out... Whats to loose but you'r time ?
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Kbeitz

My piles is getting bigger... First picture is 90% walnut and 10% cherry
Second picture is just one walnut. Third and forth oak.



 



 



 



 
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Peter Drouin

I can see why they're free. All crooked.
Maybe you can do something with them. :D
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starmac

WLC, the pellet mill is open, but just barely. Chad didn't buy any wood at all last year, just barely any the year before.

The guy I am hauling to in Wasilla actually leased one of their log trucks and probably bought 20 or more loads from him, plus he sold a lot to a firewood co up here.
I ran into him at a gun show this last summer and he said he planned to start buying some this winter again, problem is he didn't know what price he could pay. When he quit buying wood it was cheaper to leave it in the woods anyway.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 25, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
I can see why they're free. All crooked.
Maybe you can do something with them. :D

Most of the walnut I use is short paces for lathe work and such.
I bet I can still get some 12" X 8' X 2" out of some. I'm happy.
I'll make a few more trips today. The easy stuff is done. everything
now is over the steep banks.
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caveman

Those log piles look like potential bench slabs and coffee tables to me.  A lot of folks will like curved benches with live edges.
Caveman

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X2.

   I make mortise & tenon style primitive benches from 2" live edge slabs and always say the uglier the log the prettier the bench it will make.

   Plus you may be able to cut some short pieces into 3-4 inch thick piece for bowl turners and such.
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Kbeitz

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starmac

That last load looks like fairly strait stuff, looking better anyway.
How long is your trailer?
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Kbeitz

Quote from: starmac on November 26, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
That last load looks like fairly strait stuff, looking better anyway.
How long is your trailer?

Trailer is 10 ft.
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Kbeitz

Most of the logs are strait... But I was taking all the walnut.
I use the curves. I think I got all the walnut unless I find more.
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Magicman

You hit a home run with your recovery.  Good job!   smiley_thumbsup

Don't tell anyone but you bent your tag and busted your tail light.   ;D
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Kbeitz

Quote from: Magicman on November 26, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
You hit a home run with your recovery.  Good job!   smiley_thumbsup

Don't tell anyone but you bent your tag and busted your tail light.   ;D

I sure did...

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Kbeitz

Guess I should show you all the goofy stuff to...
This is for my lathe work...



 
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Peter Drouin

Goofy wood it is,  :D :D
But cut short will work for a lathe. smiley_thumbsup
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