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Offline Stephen Alford

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snow dawg
« on: November 23, 2017, 07:49:45 am »
 Had the first skiff of snow last night. At the moment we are cut off from the mainland. The rest of Canada must be so distressed.  :(     Wondering if anyone has one of these and how it worked out .  ???
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 10:10:48 am »
Looks like a better build . kind of like the old Bolens from late 60's
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 01:15:53 pm »
Kind of neat, but I don't see the advantages of it over a good utility sled, other than it's compactness.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 02:48:19 pm »
Well its got a huge advantage to the manufacturer.  Revenues!

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2017, 03:22:53 pm »
I would say it is a huge step up from a dog team, but the guys running dog teams would disagree.
Knock on wood, I have not had any run ins so far with dog teams this year, there is some running, but we have been missing each other so far.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 04:38:41 pm »
   Brand new they are running about five thousand.  The marketing has branded them a work horse . Here they only offer the 13hp but from what is on the net there is a 21hp in Wisconsin .  At issue is hauling a generator into the woodlot to warm up the tractor.  The generator is sweet to have on site for power.  However there is that theft issue. Land owners do not want their laneways torn up or rutted.  There is about a month in the fall and a month in the spring when it would be nice to access the woodlot if only to cut and prep skids. What ever you use has to be taken home at night or hid.  I have zero tolerance for a thief. But they are a reality.  If I had a dollar for every hour I have spent on a daily basis to prevent theft ...... don't get me started !!@##$#$$$%$%%%^   An ol skidoo  would work but I was hoping not to have one more thing to fix.  I believe you are correct there used to be something called a diablo at a massey dealer one time.  Actually after thinking what Ed k went through  putting the tractor in someones yard may be the best option.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 04:55:20 pm »
I like the light weight part. I already have one of those sleds set up to tow the generator behind my tracked atv into the plow truck.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 07:30:15 pm »
Webasto heater 700 new, 475 rebuilt and no need for a genset or a way to get it there. An extra 100 bucks will get it set up to where it will heat up and be ready by the time you get to it.

It amazes me how much time and money our local loggers throw away warming up the equipment to start it. The highest production logging crew in this region has webastos on every piece of equipment, programmed to start up 2 hours before their arrival, machines are toasty warm when they drive up, crank warm motors, run the hydraulics through their warm up cycle and go to work.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2017, 08:08:47 pm »
I made a little burner by putting a short piece of 4" exhaust pipe on 1" standoffs in an old kitchen pan.  One good scoop of sawdust and waste oil mixed together, slide under the oil pan usually gets things loosened up for me. If not, nother scoop
 

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2017, 10:06:58 pm »
X2 on the Webasto preheater. No need for a generator and all that extra hoopla. Set it to be done running when you arrive to work and hit the key and go to work. Best money you can spend for equipment that you need to start at any temp in the winter.

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 10:19:24 pm »
   Thanks starmack and chevy I will look into the webasto heater.   Mike with the belly pan and the wind ; burners have not worked well. One time we made them out of 6x6" pipe, welded on a base squashed a couple rolls of tp and filled with menthal hydrate. Sprucebunny here is one that might be your style   :) 
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2017, 12:41:35 am »
Stephen It can be 30 below when my webasto lights up on my b model cat and in 2 hours or less the block will be 150 to 165 degrees and bust off as well as the hottest day of the summer.

I got mine used from a trucker that traded his truck in and kept it. When his truck was new he ran all winter without renting a shop, we all rent shops to thaw our trucks out and start them without damaging the engines. Anyway he used this webasto without a timer, just let it run all night when it was cold, his truck temps would be sitting on 180 when he fired it up.
It is my opinion on outdoor equipment, the wear and tear saved over other methods of warming them up, more than pays for the cost of the webasto. I have bought a controller, so I can set it to come on at anytime, it is a 7 day controller, but have never installed it.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2017, 12:53:30 am »
Webasto preheaters are the cat's meow👍🏼
Too many irons in the fire

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2017, 08:50:22 am »
I would fall down and have the track eat me .
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2017, 08:53:15 pm »
I am surprised no one has contemplated the Snow dawg's skidding capacity.

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2017, 04:16:02 am »
I would think it would be too light to skid much.
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 06:50:25 am »
Ya, that one would tow just me and the generator sled ! Cool  8)

I looked into Webasto. Thier website wasn't much help. Didn't give any idea how big it is or what's involved to install. Best price I found was $1000 not installed.

I ran the generator for 2 hours and got the truck started. Moved it near the backhoe and a couple days later, got them both started after a couple hours. One generator, 2 battery chargers, 3 extension cords and a hearty hi-ho-silver  :D
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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2017, 07:57:49 am »
I don't think it would skid much either.  I guess I should include a LOL when cutting up. Maybe an emoji, but there are so many to choose from.

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Re: snow dawg
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2017, 10:07:49 am »
The Webastos are a little bit larger than shoe box. Install isn't too bad, its a self contained unit you splice it into your heater hoses or other loop of coolant for it to heat, it can either run with its own small tank of diesel or you can splice it into your existing tank, then there is some wiring. If you want to get fancy like the Ponsse equipment you can buy a heat exchanger that will circulate the warm coolant to heat your hydraulic oil and then wire it to even turn on your cab heater and defroster.

If I had a diesel piece of equipment that I needed to start where there wasn't electricity available I would spend the money in a heart beat. Its cheaper than the lost time you have dragging a generator around and waiting all day for something to start.

There are also other brands available as well. Espar and Proheat

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2017, 02:49:10 pm »
One of my problems with using the snow dawg or any other type of sled and a generator, is that is just two more engines I have to cold start.

Like Chevy mentioned the webasto is not very big, installation is straight forward and easy. I did have to build a bracket to bolt it on the frame of my truck, it just consisted of drilling some holes in same flat steel.

I got mine used with no instructions, so just mounted it, well I should have done some checking, what I figured was an exhaust pipe, was actually the intake. I had mounted it neatly upside down. I then checked and it is claimed you can run it in any position, including upside down, but I drilled some more holes and turned it over anyway.
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