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Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« on: November 22, 2017, 03:03:36 pm »
Greetings - first time poster here. 

I've been milling with a Sthil MS661 with a 36" bar and Alaskan Mill for a few years.  I am finally at a point where I am considering moving up to a bandsaw mill.  I've been researching the HM130 ($3,999) and now looking at the LT15 (currently on sale for $6,999).  I am trying to justify why I should spend $3,000 more for the LT15.  The HM130 states it will handle a 30" diameter log, but a maximum board of 7" deep by 22" wide.  Unfortunately I have not been able to find the maximum output board size the LT15 will generate.  I have not yet called Woodmizer.  Is the Woodmizer worth $3k more?

I would mainly be cutting some large Post Oak I have access to - some of which is around 30" diameter.  There will also be a  mix of Pecan, Cedar, Hickory.  I'll be cutting 4/4 boards but also a lot of slabs.  Since some of these logs would be too wide to slab I am thinking of taking off the boards up to 22" and then slabbing with the Alaskan and then back to the mill. 

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 03:16:33 pm »
 Of the two manufacturer options, Iíve only dealt with WM and have no complaints.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 03:18:26 pm »
My 2005 LT15 will cut a board about 26Ē wide.  I think the new ones will cut a little wider.  I donít know what the maximum depth of cut is.  Iíll have to measure.  I think the woodland one is telling you you can put the 30Ē log on and then cut a 22Ē wide piece off the top.  Then youíll have to turn it.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 03:19:25 pm »
I think WM could mean woodmizer or woodland mills.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 03:51:43 pm »
What is the specs for the LT15 wide?
There is also the resale value to consider, just something else to think about.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2017, 06:38:31 pm »
   My WM manual says LT 15 regular cuts 23" and LT15 wide wide 36". Base price in my catalog for wide is $9,995 with 25 hp gas engine. Not sure what the Woodland mills engine is.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2017, 08:49:00 pm »
Woodland engine is 14hp on the HM130.

A lot of what yer pay'in on a mizer is to buy their name--- kinda like buy'in a Cat--- 20 grand more than a Deere.

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2017, 08:55:17 pm »
Ah, but you get to sell their name when you are done with it. The same with cat and deere. You could say the same about deere and pretty much any other big farm equipment, but the truth is deere has the competition beat in other ways too. There used to be a world of difference besides price between cat and deere construction equipment, not enough experience with the newer stuff to say.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 09:03:33 pm »
Woodlands makes a great product. So does woodmizer but it is hard to spend that much extra you could get the hm130 and trailer package and still have money to spare. I have had my hm126 for 3 years and would buy another if  I had to do it over.

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 09:09:36 pm »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, Randy!
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2017, 09:10:47 pm »
I have a Woodland Mills HM130 and have no complaints.  I don't think you will be disappointed with a Woodmizer though. If you are looking for a value mill, Woodmaxx has a  mill like the HM126 with longer track and more features. 
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 09:24:53 pm »
You are comparing the Woodland Mills HM 130 with a Wood-Mizer LT15 when I would think that you should be comparing it with the Wood-Mizer LT10 or the Timbery which by the way is a USA manufactured sawmill and a branch of Wood-Mizer.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2017, 09:54:01 pm »
Is there unlimited track extensions available to fit the hm 130?
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2017, 12:00:35 am »
Is there unlimited track extensions available to fit the hm 130?
Yes, you can add 6' track sections all the way top the property line.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2017, 08:24:58 am »
Thanks for the feedback so far - i've learned a few things.  I guess I didn't compare the LT10 to the HM130 as the LT10 has a 10hp motor and a smaller finished board of 19.5".   The LT15 does have a bit more HP than the HM130 but it they are close (15HP vs 14HP) so I feel that is a closer apples-to-apples comparison, more so than comparing 10hp to 14hp. Also the finised board size is pretty close (LT15 23" wide board vs HM130 22" wide board). I hadn't heard of the Timbery brand that magicman pointed out, so I will take a look later today.

Both models can have track extensions added to them, but I believe only the LT15 can have additional accessories added to it.  Not sure yet what the shipping is on the LT15 but the shipping on the HM130 is around $350.

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 08:41:47 am »
Randy:
In your evaluation matrix add frame rigidity.
As you saw if the frame moves it could affect the outcome of the finished product.
Before doing much you should try and meet owners of both and see their mills in operation, and ask lots of questions.
You may like the ergonomics of one more than the other.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 08:52:39 am »
Randy:
In your evaluation matrix add frame rigidity.
As you saw if the frame moves it could affect the outcome of the finished product.
Before doing much you should try and meet owners of both and see their mills in operation, and ask lots of questions.
You may like the ergonomics of one more than the other.
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PS by the way welcome to the FF.

Good point re: frame, GAB.  Another difference I have noticed - with the HM130 one needs to push the powerhead.  The LT15 has a walk-behind crank which I assume (having never used a manual bandsaw mill) makes it a bit easier.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 09:29:11 am »
I have the HM126 and am happy with it.   Anyway, I donít get the crank thing on the LT15.  I like the push approach and think that after a day of cranking your arm will be quite sore.  Id have to try the crank to see if I like it. On the other hand, it sure would be easier to add power feed to it.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 09:31:18 am »
I see you will be sawing pecan and hickory. You will need all the hp you can get. I have 25 hp and saw some big hickory, need more hp..
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2017, 09:54:39 am »
Big logs, hardwood, and manual mill, equals a lot of work turning those logs.  Have you thought about a swing mill?  Might be a good thing to consider.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2017, 10:47:01 am »
Welcome to the FF randy_atx

lots to consider and Dakota makes a good point,

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2017, 02:35:41 pm »
Not to complicate things for you, but strictly from a capacity standpoint, my TK 1220 will take a 33" log, cuts 28" between guides, and 16" throat depth.  It would be comparable in price to the LT15, although the sale price on the 15 brings it lower.  Maybe if you call TK, they will make you a "Black Friday" deal :D.  No matter what way you go, any of the sponsor companies will give you a fine machine and great service.  You have already made the most important decision, to make sawdust.  Good luck with your decision and happy milling.
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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 11:19:21 am »
I had to make the same decision this year and I bought the EZ Boardwalk 40" and couldn't be happier.  It is the best value out there and when you add the trailer/log turner package it puts it in a class by itself (you have to look at a Thomas mill for a good comparison).  So, for $8,150 I have a 40" mill with trailer package and log turner (You need a log turner for those big logs!)  I would NOT recommend buying their Timberwolf blades because they only make blades with a 10 degree tooth angle and this will NOT cut straight in Post Oaks.  For very hard to cut woods like Post Oaks (White oaks) you need blades with at least a 6 degree tooth angle or you will have nothing but wavy slabs.  I was able to regrind my Timberwolf blades to 6 degrees with the blade sharpener with diamond wheel I purchased from EZ Boardwalk (also recommended).  The EZ Boardwalk has so many unadvertised  features that I can't find a mill in any price range that would be an upgrade to the EZ Boardwalk (Maybe the big Thomas Mill). 

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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2017, 12:17:10 pm »
I'm currently shopping for a mill and plan on sawing come early spring, and have the same questions as yourself.

Right now I have my heart set on the Woodland Mills HM 130 Trekker XL (delivered for around $7,000CDN).  It looks like a great portable mill and isn't too heavy to pull.  If I lived int he USA I would strongly consider the EZ Boardwalk 40 as others have mentioned due to the wide-throat and large log capacity.
I find the value in the Woodland Mills products to be quite good for a small-timer like myself. (30" capacity, 14hp, 22" boards, great reviews/customer service)

If business picks up however and I need an upgrade, without question i would buy the Wood Mizer LT15 Wide. (closer t0 $13,000CDN)


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Re: Woodland Mills HM130 vs Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 11:06:05 pm »
Hi guys newby here wondering if any one has picked up a WoodMaxx 126 and how it’s working for them. I’m looking to upgrade from chainsaw lumber and move into a mill to saw up some red pine in northern Wisconsin. I have been ready to pull the trigger on a woodland 126 until I stumbled on the WoodMaxx 126 looked at Woodmizer lt15 but really can’t make my way into that $ range any feed back would be great.