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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2017, 05:31:16 pm »
The steering wheel looks like itís on the wrong end. 
What is it?

A pic from the other end would have helped.   :)  It's a forklift based on an industrial tractor that is based on a regular Allis Chalmers tractor.  Supposed to have 5k Lb lift capacity. 

Yes EVERYTHING is backwards, but not everything was moved.  Pretty weird looking between my legs to check the gauges under the seat.   :D
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2017, 08:01:36 pm »
Firefighter,

I don't think that I could live without 4-wheel drive  :)
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« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2017, 09:31:42 pm »
I just watched a pretty big new holland thats used for logging snap a pretty expensive spindle inside the planetary, further reinforcing my belief that loaders and steer knuckles dont mix.

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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2017, 09:40:15 pm »
The steering wheel looks like itís on the wrong end. 
What is it?
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« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2017, 09:47:42 pm »
I would prefer 4wd, but it came down to money.  To buy a loader that was 4wd and strong enough to lift a big log was gonna be at least 12,000.  So, I will plan to use this for a while and hopefully make enough money from the mill in a few years to buy something else.  Also, Iím keeping my 4wd l245.
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2017, 10:25:50 pm »
I just watched a pretty big new holland thats used for logging snap a pretty expensive spindle inside the planetary, further reinforcing my belief that loaders and steer knuckles dont mix.

I've put thousands of hours on multiple loader tractors handling lots of heavy loads (tons of hay, logs, pallets, etc) on some rough ground and have yet to have any front axle problems. Also the mill I used to buy for had a couple of high hour (20k+) Pettibone loaders (with steering axles front and back) and other than replacing worn king pins ever few thousand hours we never had any issues and they were used and abused often lifting loads that lifted the back tires up and driving on just the front axle.

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« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2017, 10:43:16 pm »
He may be one of them, not sure.  I do know that tractor wont be contributing to its $550/month payment for a while. 

Sometimes success is less about scoring big wins and more about avoiding big fails.  Your mileage may vary.   

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« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2017, 08:15:41 am »
Iím gonna go look at this Ford 545 this week and maybe buy it.  It will certainly lift any log Iím gonna put on my mill.  It has a huge bucket, probably bigger than Iíd like.  Maybe I can get forks and also have a way to hang tongs from it and remove the bucket.  It has 1600 hours on it.  2WD and no PTO, but does have 3 point hitch.  What do you guys think?

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Looks like a possible. May not be an issue for your limited use and youthful exuberance, but will the stickshift be a liability of an asset?

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« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2017, 08:31:59 am »
Iíve never used anything but a stick shift tractor, so Iím not sure what benefit anything else might be to me.  As long as the clutch is ok and shifts fine, Iíll be fine with it.  As far as my youth goes, Iím 43.  Not as youthful as I used to be, but I can still get around.
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2017, 08:43:21 am »
You're looking in the right direction, but I think you can do better.
That 545A has wheel weights on the rears, but doesn't have the strong FEL.
You can recognise those by the double linkage at the bucket attachment.
Hold out for a early or mid 1990's model with pto,  3 point and 5000 lb loader.
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2017, 08:43:58 am »
Firefighter,

I don't think that I could live without 4-wheel drive  :).

2WD tractors are problematic with front end loaders.  The heavier the load being picked up in the front, the lighter the rear end gets and the tires can actually come off the ground so less traction and applied pushing force for moving dirt, gravel, stumps, etc.  I had an old 2WD tractor that when I picked up a heavy load, would get stuck because the rear end would basically come off the ground and spin with no traction.

With a 4wd, the more weight in the bucket or the more force lifting up (big logs), the more the front drive tires will get pushed into the ground, and the more front wheel drive traction and drive force generated.   
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2017, 08:50:59 am »
X2 on Yellowhammer and WDH comments.
Time for a little patience and end up with the right machine.
Almost any kid will run a chore for you - if asked an hour before bedtime . . . .

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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #92 on: November 15, 2017, 09:29:35 am »
No PTO would be the biggest knock for me.

4x4 would be good, but an implement or weight box on the 3 point can help put more weight on the back tires as long as the power steering is good.

G-man calculated back on post #11 that the size log to pick up would be about 2300Lbs.  Any input on if this tractor would pick that? 

Of course, if it were me, tomorrow I'd want to push that just a bit further.   ;)
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Re: Tractor Horsepower
« Reply #93 on: November 15, 2017, 09:58:35 am »
According to tractor data, the lighter loader can pick up 3500 at the pin.  Heavier one is 4500.  Also, I've decided to only spend up to 5000 right now, so I don't see finding something much better than this to lift a big log and have 4wd.
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« Reply #94 on: November 15, 2017, 10:03:06 am »
Dont ever plan to back up hill with a 2wd and heavy front load.  And never buy a tractor without dif lock

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« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2017, 10:12:13 am »
The 545A is rated for 3500 lbs on the front end loader.
It doesn't have a pto.
It's two wheel drive.

It might be a nice loader, but it might not be the right loader.
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« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2017, 10:21:54 am »
I hope to get it for 4000, but may have to spend 4500.  Mainly I need to know if that's a good price for what it is.  I'm not afraid to buy it and sell it later if it doesn't work out.
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« Reply #97 on: November 15, 2017, 10:38:15 am »
If it will do what you need done as soon as you drive it off the trailer, yes it is a fine price.  Get machine, get back to making money and learn its weaknesses over time while you keep your eyes open for a better replacement.  Pay attention to what changes may come in your operation that may dictate a different need while youre running it. 

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« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2017, 11:04:26 am »
Thatís what Iíll do when I look at it is determine if it will do exactly what I need it to do right away.  Itís a few hours drive to look, but I will pass on it if Iím not satisfied.
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« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2017, 12:51:40 pm »
Agree with Andries on the lack of PTO. That will likely affect your ease of resale. Also, consider you could be running another piece of support equipment off that tractor without affecting  your ability to use it as a loader. (small slab chipper, etc)


If you're simply moving one log from the pile to the mill, then the transmission type doesn't really matter. If you might be doing any repetitive loading, like piling snow or mulch, rowing for gears will get old, and you'll wish you had a reverser or some such. And as you get a little older, your relation to the clutch pedal might become an issue.

According to fuzzy memory, I think the long block for that tractor will bring about 4k.

Maybe figure in the cost of a quick-tach plate, and a real set of forks.

In the end, you have to consider if that tractor in present trim will improve the quality of your life experience by more than the purchase price.
If not, keep looking.