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Offline nativewolf

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 09:50:06 am »
so back to pulp?  Custom harvesting?  Veneer?  What's the plan?

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2017, 02:45:34 pm »
Logging markets got real bad and my quotas got cut in half early summer.

Are you thinking that logging markets got better since summer?
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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2017, 03:07:28 pm »
Not the first one to get hijacked.  :D

But this time it wasn't about food!

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2017, 07:12:32 pm »
Let me know if you run into some nice curly or birdseye maple logs.
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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2017, 06:11:19 am »
Not that the markets have gotten that much better tho sad to say the hurricane did give the local markets a lil bump up.  I just realized it really doesn't matter what the prices are, I'm gonna cut timber until I physically or financially cannot possibly do it anymore lol .  It took a few months of mining for me to realize that .  So I'm heading to custom harvesting/ cutting for companies .  Before I was mainly a pulp producer . Now I'm focusing on more of a niche market . Small acerage private land owners who can't get the larger operations to come cut for them.  Also select harvesting for companies now and again.  Have a fair amount of work lined up for winter.  Winters my favorite time to log so I'm excited to get back at it.

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2017, 08:24:55 am »
It took me most of my life to conclude money and happiness are often inversely proportional.  Best of luck back in the woods man.

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2017, 06:46:36 pm »
U.P mich, you said you are going into a niche market with small acreage. Mind me asking what kind of equipment  you'll be buying? I'm assuming hand cutting with a skidder or forwarder? Just assuming it is harder to make a profit with larger equip.
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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2017, 07:44:40 pm »
U.P mich, do you mind if I ask what did you not like about the mining gig?
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 07:05:42 am »
Yes I'll be hand cutting with a forwarder and a small cable Skidder . I had the large equipment 13+ load / week operation and it isn't as good as you may think. I made more money personally when I was a one man show with a powersaw and forwarder 10 years ago.  Way less stress being a smaller operation also.   As for mining I can't handle being underground all day when all my life I've been in the woods.  I'll take the bugs and the rain and the snow over being underground any day. Lol

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2017, 07:18:49 am »
U.P this is what I'm looking at doing. If u could only afford a cable skidder first would u buy one or barrow money for a forwarder? What kind of production are u expecting from yourself? Good luck to u. We all need it! :)

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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2017, 09:04:56 am »
Hands down I would get a forwarder right away.  Ideally both would be nice to have as cable Skidders are handy when a forwarder can't get to the wood but I find a forwarder more efficient. Easier for a one man operation to produce, cleaner logs so the mills like it, nicer piles and better sorts so the truckers like it.  I can normally produce 30 cord a day in decent timber lil less in small wood lil more in large wood. It's a long day to cut it all and get it picked up but once the snow flies everything has to be picked up the same day so the production slows down some.  Summer I can cut 2 or 3 days than forward one whole day and repeat

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2017, 10:30:52 am »
Your felling bucking and skidding 30 cord a day? So 150 cord a week by yourself?

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2017, 11:08:15 am »
Thats incredible.

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« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2017, 04:44:47 pm »
I cut daylight to dark with brakes in between when I'm tired and skid early mornings and evenings if I can. Otherwise Saturday is for skidding.That's pulp logs and bolts combined  in decent 14" minimum dbh heavy cut   I'd say most trees are 16-18" dbh marked around 15 cord / acre. And I have an efficient system for bucking wood that makes it easier than I see a lot of people doing.   Like I said tho once the snow hits and I have to cut and skid the same day the production will decrease by about 5-8 cord / day. In This case it makes it nice to have an employee to forward so I can keep cutting but employees are extremely expensive and in my experience unreliable lol. I know of another one man crew like this that has been doing 25 cord / day consistently for 18 years with 1 part time employee that helps out now and than.  I can't keep up the 30+ cord / day forever. Eventually I'll slow down I'm sure.  But today isn't that day lol

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Re: Sold my equipment tried underground mining. Going back logging again
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2017, 05:07:22 pm »
As a hand chopper in front of a forwarder I would love to hear some of your bucking methods to cut 30 cord a day. Not doubting you, cos in the right wood it is definitely doable. But 6 days a week? Our 12 ton double bunk holds about 3.5 cord. Average day in marginal wood I can cut 3 forwarder loads without killing myself. Big wood good ground you can double or better. 
 30 cord a day is a pretty big number. Is it loggers choice or marked wood?

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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2017, 03:07:24 pm »
I had a double bunk timberjack 1210 b when I started hand cutting. 5 cord bunk heaped.   And I would cut 5 loads a day in nice wood  3 in smaller wood
 Recently I had a fabtek 546c 5 cord bunk. And I would cut 5 loads a day for that in nice wood.  I'm not saying I got it all skidded the same day but it all got skidded eventually.  Like I said once winter hits and all the wood must be picked up every day production falls substantially with a one man operation.  Now it's not possible to achieve 25-30 cord / day in small wood.  It's just not.   Mature oak stands .  Old growth hard maple stands.  We are talkin 3-4 10' sawlogs/ tree and a few sticks of pulp all day long .  That's what's on a lot of state and federal forest sales around here. As well as private sales.   Have to pick and choose jobs wisely when hand cutting.  Once in a while a low production job has to be cut but if I can't make money on a job or barely break even than I can't cut it unless it's a favor . Or just one bad job out of many good ones for a land owner. 10 cord / day is a good day in small timber or rough terrain I'd be proud to produce that .  It just makes it so much easier to produce high volumes in the right wood.  That's what I'm always on the search for.  I. Etc if you converted you sawlog volumes to cordage you would be higher than you think.  I just go by total cordage ex. 5 buggie loads full with a 5 cord capacity buggy is 25 cord day.  Once on the landing in the form of pulp, bolts logs firewood etc. It doesn't look like much but after a few days you get some loads hauled and see what you really had.  It's real close.  I buck the wood with a 10'9" long 3/4 inch plastic tubeing with red electrical tape wrapped around it at 99" , 105" and 129"  that way I just lay the stick down and cut next to the red tape line I need.  A tape measure and paint or foresters tape takes to long.  I don't cut many over 10'9" unless it's veneer .

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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2017, 06:03:16 pm »
I have said this befor . There is something about seeing the sun come up on a winter morning in the woods . Better yet seeing Hawks Hitting rodents in a Spruce swamp . Going in befor the sun comes up seeing Deer Cats Wolves and things every day that most people never see . That is the reason we do what we do and why some people Don't get it .
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2017, 07:06:59 pm »
Well that is awesome UP. And I hope to achieve that also. When u do a thinning and hand cut and buck it at the stump how much trouble do u have getting those forwarders close enough? That's what I worry about buying a forwarder vs cable/grapple. I've done it but that was with a iron mule. They are like an atv in the woods. Not like the last decades equipment.

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2017, 08:28:50 pm »
How are you guys figuring the amount of cordage here?  Is this timber getting processed into firewood? Or weighed or something?

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2017, 08:36:42 pm »
I'm figuring on 128 cubic feet. Isn't any cord 128 cubic feet? Unless your talking ricks or face cords but I don't think anyone is here. And no one has mention per thousand which there's two cord per thousand. The only diff in production would be dbh or if it's 10s 12s vs say 8s.