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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2017, 09:34:13 pm »
I have both, excavators (44000 lb and 28000 lb) and a 4x4 backhoe (n.h. LB 75). The excavators are way better to dig with,or load trucks with,but that is all. As far as versatility ,the backhoe does everything,and can move material around site more rapidly,as well as go over the road.In ,I have always wondered how the average american family with a little acreage can live without a backhoe .
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2017, 10:43:49 pm »



This is my case 450.. I believe its a 78 or so,  tail end of the A model.  Its got an extendahoe and the entire hoe comes off in about 15 mins leaving behind a 4 point receiver that is easy to mount other implements into.  Its heavy on the toes without the hoe and heavy on the heel with it.  Clumsy slow machine compared to bobcat or excavator but they have a few virtues.  Pretty stable on a sidehill compared to a tire backhoe or skidsteer.. decent floatation, good ground engaging force and tons of breakout power.  Itll push right into a pile of concrete  demo or frozen dirt pretty well and easily lift twice what the bucket holds.   The pin on hoe is very flexy compared to a fixed rigid mount tho.  Thats a once a while component in my opinion. 

   I havent gotten it down to tennessee yet from my old house.  My plan is to fab a grapple rake on front and a skidding winch on back.  Use this to twitch hardwood stems out to the main trail, buck by hand and load onto a walking beam drawbar style bunk trailer i will fab to pull behind my d31 blade dozer.  Probably with a hydraulic dump to drop the load at the top landing.  Basically i dont want to sell my current machines or get into a skidder.  But long skids for one or two logs are terribly slow on a steel carriage.   Its only worth the wear and tear it if i can move 10 at a time.  I turned down two long pull jobs over it this year that i wish i coulda gone after.   

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2017, 11:00:54 pm »
I have always wondered how the average american family with a little acreage can live without a backhoe .

Haha, that's how I feel about skid steers!
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2017, 01:20:34 am »
Ohiowoodchuck, have you ever seen a mecalac?

This could be another option.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2017, 11:12:47 am »
Ohiowoodchuck, have you ever seen a mecalac?

This could be another option.
No sir I have not.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2017, 01:37:02 pm »
Do a search on these. They're amazing with the all articulated arm.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2017, 02:13:07 pm »
I'll look but I need to stay in the big three or four. I have a new holland cat and Deere with 20 minutes and a hour to a case dealer.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2017, 11:44:56 pm »
I have run my JCB for 22 years and love it. I was in the excavating business and used it all the time. It has forks that flip down in front of the bucket that come in too handy.
It is also very easy to work on. I had an issue with the transmission about 15 years ago and I had it out in less than an hour and about the same pitting it back in.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2017, 06:15:21 pm »
I'll look but I need to stay in the big three or four. I have a new holland cat and Deere with 20 minutes and a hour to a case dealer.

I find those really cool. With the arm offset etc.

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2017, 08:01:01 pm »
This is my backhoe now. They sell stump buckets.



This was my backhoe before I sold it.

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2017, 09:50:07 pm »
Puffergas I think that first pic of the skidsteer would be more aptly called a front hoe lol
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2017, 12:54:20 am »
If you buy a backhoe. A good option, is to have a drop bucket in front. So you can grasp logs for loading.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2017, 07:50:05 pm »
Puffergas I think that first pic of the skidsteer would be more aptly called a front hoe lol

4x4, where is the like button to press! My problem with the backhoe was that it was too small and no place to swing the dirt. Always re-handling. An excavator can turn 180. And it was too big for small jobs. Now I have the skid steer and a real track loader. Maybe a dragline some day for making my frog ponds. And maybe a rock crusher ! ! 😀. And, and ! ! !
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2017, 08:19:02 pm »
If you buy a backhoe. A good option, is to have a drop bucket in front. So you can grasp logs for loading.

Drott bucket.  Also called a 4 in 1.  Very handy once you learn how to use them. 

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2017, 10:57:58 pm »
In my opinion, Forks would be a better option than a 4-in-1 bucket.
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2017, 12:16:16 pm »
For purely log loader, absolutely.  But a machine with a drott is already plumbed for a hydraulic thumb on the fork.  I load with a plain forklift and its terrible without a grapple.  With a big grapple you can grab a while pile of logs.  Without it youre often having one flop out.. Especially when youre loading long stuff. 

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2017, 04:10:21 pm »
I had a 4-in -1 bucket on one of my backhoes,and it saved so much hand labor ,and so much time,that i swore that i would have another. My current machine is plumbed for one,but I rarely use the machine for work(mostly loading sanders in the winter) so I haven't hunted one down . They work wonderful for loading logs,moving rocks,even picking up that last little bit of dirt that you keep chasing ,and eventually have to shovel in the bucket
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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2017, 09:16:29 pm »
This is a keeper.





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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2017, 12:06:25 am »
I was stunned at how efficient i could dustpan that last bit of spoils with a drott.  I backdrag with clam open in float mode, then close clam it while curling back ... It gets every bit.  Someday ill have one on a tracked skidsteer.

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Re: Opinion on backhoe
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2017, 03:21:11 am »
If you buy a backhoe. A good option, is to have a drop bucket in front. So you can grasp logs for loading.

Drott bucket.  Also called a 4 in 1.  Very handy once you learn how to use them.

Yep, pardon. My french!  ;D
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