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Started by username, October 20, 2017, 05:37:03 PM

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username

Hello dear friends,

So we finally logged about 200-300 pine trees from our small property where we live. I only had a limited say in the decision as you know.

The logger was kind enough to make 5-6 piles, medium sized, maybe 10ft by 10 ft of the slash (tree limbs and tops)

Now we need to decide what is the best option to get rid of the slash.

We wanted to burn, but the County rules around it seem controversial, e.g. it cannot be a nuisance. Our neighbor, who lives several acres away on the adjacent plot already expressed his concerns about his trees dying due to the heat from the fire and or smoke.

What are some other options, affordable, that we can explore? If we leave the piles as is, it will take 3-4 years to decompose.

We thought about renting a bobcat which does mulching and use that? but that itself costs $3000 just to rent, and then we need to find someone to operate it, transport it to and from the rental company, and who knows, maybe that is not sufficient as some limbs are thick.

So, I am once again looking for help, and know I can find it here!!

Please do let us know. If someone on here can do it for a reasonable fee....please let me know too!!


TKehl

Your neighbor is insane or making excuses.  I've had MUCH bigger and very dry red cedar piles I've burnt and never killed anything more than 50' away.  Smaller piles directly under other trees clearing fence... yes.  But 50' sounds very conservative in your case for that size piles.  Could me much less depending on how long they've had to dry.  Regardless, I bet if you burn, your neighbor will call the authorities.   :-\

Adding your location to your profile would help find someone locally. 

Sounds like you are unable or unwilling to put in labor.  As such, perhaps someone with a forestry mulcher could at least reduce the piles if fire is out of the question... maybe.  However, I bet the logger compacted the pile a bit, so may not be much reduction. 

It also never hurts to ask your local volunteer fire department if they could use the burn for training.  Not much your neighbor can say about that.   :D
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thecfarm

I live in Maine and if that was here,it would take about 10 years to really rot. Rot by able to drive a tractor through it without damage to the tractor. I have an area I piled up some brush by hand,took really more than 10 years to really rot.
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goku78

 I agree with thecfarm. brush takes around 10 years, if not more, to rot if left in a pile. If you want to decompose the brush faster, you could try to bury it. Any soil contact will accelerate the decomposition process, especially with pine.  The pile shrinks down pretty fast and in about 2 years you have a mound of nice soil.

Or cover the brush piles with tarps and uncover and burn them after snow is on the ground.

A local tree service may chip up the brush for less.
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Riwaka

Location?, climate?(not likely to need firewood for heating in the tropics), local health and safety rules?, machine operator codes and regulations? type of pine?  etc.

Hire a forestry mulcher 400 horsepower plus with skilled operator to turn piles into wood flakes.

Any local fire wood yards? (or waste/scrap wood recovery for industrial heating operations) with their own grapple excavator to pull the piles apart to recover saleable firewood, that would leave a lot less to burn or mulch.
If the wood material is suitable for saleable firewood, there should be no charge or a slight payment to you (unless the firewood want to cover their insurance costs or machine fuel costs, chainsaw costs, worker costs before they sell the firewood in which case you might have to pay them something). That skidsteer hire fee) is indicative of a high cost business environment.

If the rules/ laws allow - pull piles apart, advertise free firewood and have a few friends over for the management of the day. If chainsaw safety rules, litigation concerns etc make this a non-starter there are a lot places like this now.

Innoculate the wood with a super rot fungi strain ?

mike_belben

Rent a woodchipper and pick away at it.  Use a quad, truck or tractor to chain a bigger limb thats a ways down from the top and yank.  This will help disperse the pile and make it possible to start freeing limbs via chainsaw.  Disperse the chips all over.. Or pile them and spread by snowplow later. 

Personally id buy a used chipper now and sell in the spring.  Used equipment prices drop during heating season and rise during tax returns. 
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barbender

Slash is typically better left laying flat on the ground. I'll guessing by you using the term "slash" that you are located in the midwest? I've seen landowners do this before, they want it all piled up so the woods look nice and "neat" and then they don't know what to do with it. Your only realistic option at this point is burning it. Get a burning permit, comply with all the regulations, and light it off. Then, who cares if your neighbor calls the authorities, you're legal. You could also chip it, but you'd have to rent a real chipper, not a Harry Homeowner unit. It would be a ton of work.
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47sawdust

I agree with Barbender.My slash gets reduced in size right where it lays.Too late for the OP situation,though.
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tawilson

A half dozen 10'x10' piles doesn't sound like that much. Campfires must be allowed. Start having them on a regular basis.
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Neilo

Light them after dark so you can't see the smoke. Pick the wind if where smoke goes is important, and to minimise scorch if you have trees near the piles.

username

Hello and thank you for the replies

The issue of burning here is dicey, as the neighbor has already warned us about the smoke/heat killing his trees, and the outdoor burning laws in Texas do not really permit outdoor burning with some exceptions.

See attachment

We are ready to do the hard work and labor, we just want to avoid burning, because the laws are grey on that. Of course, if we can get the volunteer fire fighter or any official group to do it, then it will be fine.

We are north of Houston, in Texas.

Yes, we should have left the slash/debris as it is, but now it is too late. This is our first time doing logging trees.

Since the loggers took the trunk, can parts of the limbs and leftover trunk pieces be used as firewood?

I am not sure what constitutes firewood, i.e. whether any of these left overs qualify.

Relatively speaking, what would be the cheapest machine to rent to deal with this, even if it will take more man power and time?

Thank you very much!!

thecfarm

Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

username

Who knows if we can smoke outside!!

the neighbor has sued all the neighbors - one because their dogs went on to his property, another neighbor because the other neighbor had some soil, fertilizer along their fence, and it got washed on to the neighbors lake and his fish died so he sued them, he also sued the company that makes the wooden fence posts because they rotted in about 15 years, etc.

each property is 12-30 acres, so it is not like they are in 0.5 acre plots

so we do not want him to claim that burning our piles killed his trees :(

we are simple people who work hard and cannot afford the time and expense of frivolous lawsuits

SwampDonkey

Personally I really hate slash piles, big time. They bring porcupines to a new home to girdle the nice trees that are standing. I am a big fan of slash dispersal, or lie where it was cut. In my woods I like to keep open trails for recreation and looking at my trees. Good exercise getting out with a brush saw or chainsaw clearing trails for 3 hrs. ;D I find slash from thinning is gone in 10 years, in big piles it lasts more than 10 years around here. If it were white cedar piles, count on 30 years. I have a couple cedar piles 24 years old now, they are just hidden from trees grown up around. They are finally breaking down good anyway. They were tops smaller than rails. I've thinned almost every acre of my 70 acre lot and that slash is 90 % gone. The last was in 2011, the first area was 2005. It's like parkland now, the lower limbs have all died back since the canopy closed back in and I can see a long way through the woods.  :)

https://youtu.be/UXtQqJR9b2g
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2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Den-Den

Not sure how far north of Houston you are.  I am north and east of Houston (100+ miles) and outdoor burning is VERY common here.  The regulations are specific to certain areas.  It sounds like you have an ornery neighbor.
You may think that you can or may think you can't; either way, you are right.

thecfarm

Nice looking forest you there,Swampdonkey. Mighty nice.
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SwampDonkey

Yes, and proud of it. I like the mix of hardwoods in it, I'm not a monoculture type. And a hardwood is higher up the scale of priority than a spruce. Since I enjoy the fall colors to, you can see some maple close by in the video, mostly sugar, but at the end a red maple I think. Most of my maples would be red maple since the land is so flat. I have a lot of ash to. Hope we don't get those borers.  ::)
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Gary_C

After reading those regulations you provided, I'd say go ahead and burn it. The rules say you can even burn your household garbage including plastics, cardboard boxes, rubber, and even kitchen wastes.

The rules also specifically say you can burn plant material generated on site. In some counties you need no notifications. As far as that ornery neighbor, he has nothing to say if you follow the rules.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.

krusty

how tall are the piles? could slowly work away at them with a bush hog if not too tall. cheapest way of course is to burn them. call your local town. get the rules in writing. burn it at the onset of a rainstorm and they will have nothing to complain about....well near nothing.

Ron Scott

As stated by others, it would have been best to have the logger loop and scatter the slash within 2-4 feet of the ground or else chip the top wood if their had been a chip market in the area.

But since you now have the slash in piles on the property, the most efficient and effective way to get rid of it in a timely manner would be to burn it during the rainy or snow season in accordance to any state or local burning ordinances.
~Ron

mike_belben

I didnt expect to hear about a lawyerupper in texas. Thats sad.

I love where i live.  We burn everything.. Brush, trash, abandoned houses turned meth lab.  Neighborly disputes boil down to shooting at the ground and threatening to smash each others faces in then fade away.      Cant seem to get arrested here if you try.


You want to rent a 4cylinder or bigger diesel chipper.  Vermeer or morbark.   Could probably put an ad on CL with accurate pics of the job and have tree guys submit bids to chip and blow on site.  Theyd come with a skid steer grapple and be gone by lunch.
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gww

I am burning a pile today.  I wish I had some mulch but burning is so much easier and quicker.  I love where I live.
Cheers
gww

timberking

No regs where I live as long as there isn't a burn ban.  I have seen some issues around Pittsburg, Texas due to the abundance of chicken houses.  I was shut down there one time

SwampDonkey

We have burn ban and restricted hours hear sometimes because of dryness. Burning is regulated here because some folks lack some sense or think it is fun setting woods ablaze. Right now we have some forest fires, which is rare for here in October. These were deliberate start. Years ago this was an old game to get fire fighting jobs. We have to have burn plans now for burning grass fires, so now they get a bill when they let the fire go into the woods to burn down.
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Nate R

FWIW, I had 400-450 60 year old red pine thinned out from 4 acres this year. (100 cords) The logger used a feller/buncher, and I didn't' realize it would be processed near the landing. I ended up with "lanes" of brush and slash. My Forester directed me to someone that does clearing and grinding. I paid a local guy to come out with his 120 HP machine and grinder. He had other attachments so he could move the brush first, moved some piles for us and then ground it up.

Not cheap, but MUCH faster/easier/safer than burning, and MUCH faster than chipping it myself. He was in and out in a few hours. Could grind things as fine or coarse as I wanted, mix it with dirt, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhLbpmaRVM

He also was able to take down some stumps I wanted out of the way, and pulled a few for me as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxP_ow6nHfU

He charged by the hour, including his travel time. I'd highly recommend this option for a small property where you want it to look nice again ASAP.

-Nate





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