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Offline mike_belben

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 10:21:55 am »
I didnt expect to hear about a lawyerupper in texas. Thats sad.

I love where i live.  We burn everything.. Brush, trash, abandoned houses turned meth lab.  Neighborly disputes boil down to shooting at the ground and threatening to smash each others faces in then fade away.      Cant seem to get arrested here if you try.


You want to rent a 4cylinder or bigger diesel chipper.  Vermeer or morbark.   Could probably put an ad on CL with accurate pics of the job and have tree guys submit bids to chip and blow on site.  Theyd come with a skid steer grapple and be gone by lunch.

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 01:30:18 pm »
I am burning a pile today.  I wish I had some mulch but burning is so much easier and quicker.  I love where I live.
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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 08:26:39 am »
No regs where I live as long as there isn't a burn ban.  I have seen some issues around Pittsburg, Texas due to the abundance of chicken houses.  I was shut down there one time

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 09:36:53 am »
We have burn ban and restricted hours hear sometimes because of dryness. Burning is regulated here because some folks lack some sense or think it is fun setting woods ablaze. Right now we have some forest fires, which is rare for here in October. These were deliberate start. Years ago this was an old game to get fire fighting jobs. We have to have burn plans now for burning grass fires, so now they get a bill when they let the fire go into the woods to burn down.

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2017, 01:07:18 pm »
FWIW, I had 400-450 60 year old red pine thinned out from 4 acres this year. (100 cords) The logger used a feller/buncher, and I didn't' realize it would be processed near the landing. I ended up with "lanes" of brush and slash. My Forester directed me to someone that does clearing and grinding. I paid a local guy to come out with his 120 HP machine and grinder. He had other attachments so he could move the brush first, moved some piles for us and then ground it up.

Not cheap, but MUCH faster/easier/safer than burning, and MUCH faster than chipping it myself. He was in and out in a few hours. Could grind things as fine or coarse as I wanted, mix it with dirt, etc.


He also was able to take down some stumps I wanted out of the way, and pulled a few for me as well.


He charged by the hour, including his travel time. I'd highly recommend this option for a small property where you want it to look nice again ASAP.

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2017, 06:33:02 pm »
If I lived next to a neighbor like that, I would make piles of brush as close to the property line that the law allows and leave them there for them to marvel.


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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2017, 07:45:26 pm »
 

 


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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2017, 05:16:13 am »
If I lived next to a neighbor like that, I would make piles of brush as close to the property line that the law allows and leave them there for them to marvel.


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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2017, 02:39:43 pm »
I also don't see the problem with burning. 10'x10' piles? And something could be killed 50' away? Not buying it. As long as you follow these simple rules for outdoor burning (i.e. my 7 commandements for outdoor burning), you should be fine:

1. NO wind when you burn.

2. Everything on the pile must be completely dried out.....and hopefully nothing too big. (Big stuff will not compeltely burn and could sit there and smolder for quite some time which is dangerous. You want everything to burn up fast. No fuel, no fire.)

3. Probably the most important one: Burn AFTER a light-medium rain. Hot embers coming down on wet ground is no danger...unless you've had a drought. And then burning is off anyway.

4. A break around the pile is good. (Maybe not necessary if you follow #3.) I usually harrow a circle with the tractor.

5. Keep the piles size under control. I try to limit it to 30'x30'. And pile it right too. I've seen some people's idea of a "pile" as  30' x 30' x 1' (the height). That's no pile.

6. Good standoff distance from anything you want to keep. 100 yards from a permanent structure. But it's a judgement call based on pile size.

7. Although stuff burns faster in heat....I like to do it in the cool months. (And at night.) Although it's hard where I live to get a light rain in the fall/winter months (keeping #3 in mind). It will rain for days then.

I've never had an issue when I've followed those rules.

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2017, 08:14:21 pm »
A few scraps of junk tin (from insulated door cutouts in my case) are the best fire tools i have.  Whether its to direct heat into a stump, keep rain off, keep ash in or blasting wind out, drying wet wood ontop the tin before adding it to the coals... You name it.  I burn stumps every week and never without my tins.  When im not burning i cover the stump pile with em to keep dry.

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2017, 07:38:13 am »
@RA sawing   Why not burn during a rain.   Granted you need be Johhny on the spot to get it started.

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2017, 08:13:56 am »
If we're back to burning, I'm about to try an experiment. There were some old fuel drums on the farm where we are working. I've cut the end out of one, stood it up and removed a large bung that is now near the bottom end, the lighting and air hole. I'll fill it and get it rolling, then block the bottom air and keep filling it. With the fire up top it'll exclude oxygen and should created charcoal on the bottom. Keep feeding, keep feeding all day. At the end of the day drop the cutout lid back on and seal the edge with dirt to exclude oxygen. Wait till it cools and I should have a couple of yards of charcoal, or, if I drive over it and crush it, biochar for soil amendment, we'll see which sells first. Heck bury the charcoal and sell the carbon credits, you'll be a hero  :D

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2017, 10:28:33 am »
Don your a hoot. Lol you should be able to get a government grant for an idea like that. I have seen it done a little different in that they put woodnin a sealed container and place the container in the fire. The heat turns it into charcoal.
If you do something simular with birch bark you end up with oil. A very smokie sooty but burns hot.
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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2017, 10:50:57 am »
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@RA sawing   Why not burn during a rain.   Granted you need be Johhny on the spot to get it started.

During the rain? Why? Why not just wait until it's over (especially if it's a hit and run shower)? Works every time. The point is to get vegetation in the area soaked.....not yourself.

The reason I emphasized AFTER the rain was because of what I observe locally. A lot of the local Gomers will set their piles ablaze before a rain. (I.e. when it's in the forecast.) Well guess what? A lot can happen in 12 hours. Embers can come down on dry stuff (including permanent structures)......and the fire can get away from the edge of a pile.


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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2017, 11:10:09 am »
How much of that slash pile is 4 inches and greater in diameter? Pull it out and cut it up into 14 or 16 inch lengths makes good firewood that may bring your pile down some. You can use it for your evening campfires or sell it.
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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2017, 08:44:30 am »
You guys might be able to burn pine, but I've tried it in my evaporator (making maple syrup) where I add a full arm load of wood every 8 or 9 minutes and I have high pressure air both under the grates and over the fire (under the fire I have a 4" duct with 3 rows of holes spaced 2" apart, one row on top and one row so the air hits near the outer edge of the grates, then for the air over the fire, I have a manifold that surrounds the firebox with a nozzle every 6" angled down at 15 degrees, so there are air nozzles everywhere except where the 2 doors are) The high pressure air is produced by a 3/4 HP blower very similar to a leaf blower, with paddles which throws the air, not fling it like a squirrel cage. If the pine still has the bark on it, some is still left after hours of burning (sometimes as much as 8-10 hrs of hard burning). Pines have some sort of fire retardant in the bark to naturally protect it in a forest fire.
However, if I burn slab off the sawmill, where 1 or more faces have no bark it burns fine.
I'd either spread it to rot or mulch/chip it.
I prune my blueberries and all of the prunings get just left in the aisles, then after 2 or 3 mowings if any sizable trash remains, I chip it.
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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2017, 07:48:44 pm »
Hi Folks >I tend to go along with thecfarm can you smoke outside?     Getting along with neighbors can be extreme at times , good luck with them. As for rules and regulations I don,t know that I should speak for most of us ,but I am hot at the collar and have had it up to here with it all ,and that is being nice about it.   What happened to the days gone by ? It was not like this a few short years  ago. Lets live and let live.  The bests way to deal with slash is to have your cutter limb it off and keep it below  knee height right where the tree fell. Within a few years it is compost. It will help your bush,I best stop here while I can or I might rant about (neighbors & regulations) Best to all. Coconut.http://www.forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cool.gif

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Re: Options to dispose of slash - apart from burning
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2017, 06:40:17 pm »
Hello and thank you for the replies

The issue of burning here is dicey, as the neighbor has already warned us about the smoke/heat killing his trees, and the outdoor burning laws in Texas do not really permit outdoor burning with some exceptions.

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We are ready to do the hard work and labor, we just want to avoid burning, because the laws are grey on that. Of course, if we can get the volunteer fire fighter or any official group to do it, then it will be fine.

We are north of Houston, in Texas.

Yes, we should have left the slash/debris as it is, but now it is too late. This is our first time doing logging trees.

Since the loggers took the trunk, can parts of the limbs and leftover trunk pieces be used as firewood?

I am not sure what constitutes firewood, i.e. whether any of these left overs qualify.

Relatively speaking, what would be the cheapest machine to rent to deal with this, even if it will take more man power and time?

Thank you very much!!

The folks that recommended mulching are giving you great advise.  Mulching keeps that organic material on site, improves soil, helps retain moisture, nutrients recycled. etc.  Also, the sites look great afterwards. 

I have a massive mulching/grinding attachment so big I had to get a new tractor.  However, lots and lots of guys have smaller attachments on skidsteers (much like the one posted in this thread) and occasionally a guy will have a dedicated machine like a Fecon (also shown in the thread). 

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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2017, 09:01:23 pm »
Don't want to get this off thread too much,some care and some don't.
We use to burn the fields here and had many many brush fires. Never once had one get away from us. Have to pick your days. Have to pick a good spot for the brush piles. We use to go down the field 50 feet and light it. Go down another 50 feet and do it again,after we was sure the first fifty was out. Stone walls was a problem. My Father was always concerned the fire would get into a wall. Could smolder for days and start up anywhere in the wall. Was not much that grew next to the wall,due to the trees on the other side of the stone wall. I bought a riding lawnmower and would mow around the fields. My Father really liked that,nothing for the fire to run on. You have to respect fire and know how to use it. Years ago fire permits was unheard of. We knew when to burn and not to burn. Now some burn when it has not rained for a month. We always burned late evening,the air is stiller at night,I can hear him say that to me. We spent many late nights watching a brush pile burn.
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