Please help with tree identification

[DeerMeadowFarm]

I always thought that the walnut trees that we had were butternut variety. I have 3 of them that match everything I've read and or seen on line. Yesterday, my wife and I went for a walk on our property where we haven't really gone to before. There were a lot of nut trees and when my wife asked what the tree was I immediately guessed that it was a butternut based on how the bark and leaves looked, but the fruit was not as elongated as what I have seen near my butternuts. Can someone help?

Fruit: The two brown ones are connected, the green ones were separate (both picked up off the forest floor not from the trees themselves). Are they bot the same fruit? The butternut ones near my field are more elongated; these were spherical.


 

Some bark pictures (probably not helpful?)


 



 

[TKehl]

I'm a long way from MA, but that last picture sure looks like Shagbark Hickory. 

The green ones could be Hickory nuts.  Don't see many on the ground until the husks open.  Can you peel the husk to show the nut?

[John Mc]

I'm a long way from MA, but that last picture sure looks like Shagbark Hickory.

Around my part of VT, Shagbark Hickories are a whole lot "shaggier". (but maybe that's a function of age? The ones on my property are older and larger)

[TreeStandHunter]

Mockernut Hickory

[DeerMeadowFarm]

I'm a long way from MA, but that last picture sure looks like Shagbark Hickory. 

The green ones could be Hickory nuts.  Don't see many on the ground until the husks open.  Can you peel the husk to show the nut?

They are pretty tough but I can try.

Around my part of VT, Shagbark Hickories are a whole lot "shaggier". (but maybe that's a function of age? The ones on my property are older and larger)

I have smaller diameter trees on the property that are "shaggier" than this one as well. Maybe just different species of Hickory?

Mockernut Hickory

I think you may have it! I found this on line and a lot of the information jives with what I see where the trees are, etc. Are the brown nuts the same just older or are they from a different variety of hickory?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carya_tomentosa

[TreeStandHunter]

Mockernut Hickory

I think you may have it! I found this on line and a lot of the information jives with what I see where the trees are, etc. Are the brown nuts the same just older or are they from a different variety of hickory?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carya_tomentosa
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They are the same just aged. For some reason the squirrels havent gotten to them yet haha

[TKehl]

I'll buy that.  Turns out there are more varieties of Hickory than I was taught.   :

Had the same thing happen with Oak.  Growing up I thought there was regular Oak, White Oak, and Black Oak.  Later found out about Pin and Burr oak.  Found out recently there are a LOT more.  Learning a lot here.   ;D

Betting the brown ones were aborted or knocked off prematurely (wind or wildlife). 

[larry1]

My buddy in Dundas Ontario has acres of them and he claims they are Black Walnut trees with the same seed . The squirrels grind the outside to store away the seed for the winter and of course they grow . Most of his trees are 12 -30 inch dia , the question is , are they worth anything?

[WDH]

It is actually Carya ovalis, red hickory.  It is now considered a variety of pignut hickory. 

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=826

Mockernut bark is usually not that scaly.

[reelman65]

It is actually Carya ovalis, red hickory.  It is now considered a variety of pignut hickory. 

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=826

Mockernut bark is usually not that scaly.

I agree. Mockernut usually has that "diamond web" pattern that persists even when they get big.

[moodnacreek]

Walnut and hickory are related. There are  4 or 5 hickories in the northeast but most people only know shag bark.