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Started by gman98, September 11, 2017, 11:57:29 AM

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weimedog

Quote from: barbender on September 16, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

weimedog

Quote from: HolmenTree on September 16, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Actually the 72.2cc Stihl MS462C is the same weight as the 60cc 562XP.

Can I get one (MS462c) at my local dealer yet? Can't get the 572 yet so have to rely on the Euro's to tell us the "as delivered" configuration.

The Stihl.. Could be a game changer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7R9vEttKTM

The Husqvarna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIYooqWeaY
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

weimedog

SO there they are....WHICH one will survive the test of the loggers over the next few years...If they are equally reliable...weight & power will win the day. If one is more reliable and durable..it will win in my neck of the woods. Loggers here are a little gun shy on new models...from both brands. Don't want to be the research and development mules as the products evolve. They want to invest. Cut a lot of wood. And not need to see the saw head to a shop...and ultimately that is way more important than specs. (Why I rather have the heavier 576 than the more popular  372XT )

Any one who says they know the answer is...full of it. I certainly don't. ( Neither have time travel capability or the ability to see the future ) Time will tell as they get pressed into service. I do know the chances of having a Jonsered variant has dropped to the single digits.
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

HolmenTree

I can see the future and I know alot of answers, I don't get stuck in the rut with old outdated saws :D

I saw pictures of Stihl's prototype fuel injected saws and know what the company is capable of developing.  :)
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

John Mc

Quote from: weimedog on September 16, 2017, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: barbender on September 16, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.

I thought that had already happened. Tractor Supply now sells them around here, and of the former Jonsered dealers, the old timers have closed up shop and retired, and the others have either dropped Jonsered and picked up another brand or added the other brand to their line-up (and feature the new brand a lot more prominently in their shops). Of those who have picked up a new line, Echo seems to be the most common. I do wish one of them would pick up Dolmar. No one around here sells them.

Does this mean Jonsered will no longer have their versions of the Husky pro-level saws?
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   - Abraham Maslow

gman98

Quote from: nativewolf on September 14, 2017, 07:00:37 AM
Quote from: RSteiner on September 13, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

The 441 was a bit of a lemon-some worked some didnt, maybe the most recent/last one stihl had issues with.  The 261/362 are great saws apparently (i am enjoying my  362 but it has some hot start issues) and the 462 coming out looks very promising (the saw the 441 should have been).  I actually think that battery powered saws are going to be my next light saw -they are making huge progress (not derailing I'll stop there)
The 441 is another saw I have looked at.  The price has deterred me a bit, but I do like Stihl saws.  Why are they classified as a lemon?  What issues are to be had with them?

Thanks
Forest technician and part time equipment operator.  Looking to get set up with some logging equipment of my own.

weimedog

Quote from: John Mc on September 17, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: weimedog on September 16, 2017, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: barbender on September 16, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.

I thought that had already happened. Tractor Supply now sells them around here, and of the former Jonsered dealers, the old timers have closed up shop and retired, and the others have either dropped Jonsered and picked up another brand or added the other brand to their line-up (and feature the new brand a lot more prominently in their shops). Of those who have picked up a new line, Echo seems to be the most common. I do wish one of them would pick up Dolmar. No one around here sells them.

Does this mean Jonsered will no longer have their versions of the Husky pro-level saws?

Think you need to ask Holmantree...he can see the future..:)

But here is some info from someone who actually does know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-pSF7kDmFQ
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

Maine logger88

Quote from: HolmenTree on September 17, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
I can see the future and I know alot of answers, I don't get stuck in the rut with old outdated saws :D

I saw pictures of Stihl's prototype fuel injected saws and know what the company is capable of developing.  :)
Well that's a bummer I hate to switch brands lol. If that is true than I may have to try a 462... although we will have to see reliability wise which will hold up better. I can deal with a heavier less powerful saw if it doesn't have to consistently be tinkered on.
79 TJ 225 81 JD 540B Husky and Jonsered saws

HolmenTree

You don't have to switch Maine, someone has to run those Huskies. Walter (Bob junior) has lots of oldies for reminiscing  ;)
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

Maine logger88

O I know but if the 462 is a way better saw and more reliable I will probably try one. I am not hard core brand loyal just a couple of ms460s put a bad taste in my mouth...
79 TJ 225 81 JD 540B Husky and Jonsered saws

weimedog

I think the State department needs Holman....what going to happen with North Korea? And maybe Stihl does use him to keep an eye on the Stock Market. But my humble opinion is reliability defines if the market goes radically from one brand to the other. Neither have proven infallible over this last couple of years introducing what every time is sold as ground breaking revolutionary technology. The Stihl LOOKS to be a game changer. But I think rather than going to the tarot cards, i'll wait and see what happened after they are introduced. The Husqvarna looks to be an evolution not revolution. They have a lot of time on that technology and may have it right this time....key is the phrase "may have". Like the Stihl I'll just wait and see what happened before defining it a win or a lose..Both are pretty cool from my perspective. Both advance the state of the art. The Stihl might have taken it to a new level....we will see.

( Wow..you KNOW life is good if the biggest problem you face on a given day is being accused of having an outdated saw! LOL!, Bet there are more than a few happy to have an out dated 440 or 372! )
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

HolmenTree

Ok relax a bit Walt, I was just giving you a little poke. You always write good when you get a little persuasion . ;D

I love my outdated old saws too. Got a 1979 Jonsereds 70E and a 1988 10mm Stihl 044 on the bench at the moment.

If you read the nightmare I had in my "Official MS261C versus 550XP test" thread post #193, dealing with warranty with Husqvarna. How my dealer here in Canada had to negotiate on the phone with claims officers that Husqvarna has contracted out all across the U.S., some working out of their basements.
Let me tell you I now know what "reliable" company I want to buy  saws from, and they don't have to contract out their warranty claims.

Which leads me to believe "how reliable are these new Huskies when the company  needs all this outside help?"
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

weimedog

Quote from: HolmenTree on September 18, 2017, 08:26:11 AM
Ok relax a bit Walt, I was just giving you a little poke. You always write good when you get a little persuasion . ;D

I love my outdated old saws too. Got a 1979 Jonsereds 70E and a 1988 10mm Stihl 044 on the bench at the moment.

If you read the nightmare I had in my "Official MS261C versus 550XP test" thread post #193, dealing with warranty with Husqvarna. How my dealer here in Canada had to negotiate on the phone with claims officers that Husqvarna has contracted out all across the U.S., some working out of their basements.
Let me tell you I now know what "reliable" company I want to buy  saws from, and they don't have to contract out their warranty claims.

Which leads me to believe "how reliable are these new Huskies when the company  needs all this outside help?"


K...maybe you should write my post?....  ;D The three dealers I work with, they make it work for their customers....can't comment on how Husqvarna works for them...one complains the other two don't; thats all I know...at this point in time......hoping for some insight on what I'm going to LEARN this next week on a 576 with a wiped clutch side bearing!.....a little help please?

( Actually quite relaxed. MUCH rather argue Ford/Chevy style about cool stuff coming our way instead of ..say...politics! )
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

HolmenTree

Failed clutch side bearing? First thing you check is look at the seal, rim sprocket and b/c.
Easy to see overtensioning or improper sharpening the cutter  drivetrain.
I saw a saw once that sat for a few years with veggie  oil left in the saw.
A thin film of the oil hardened onto the crank against the seal behind the oil pump. When he fired the saw up the seal lip was damaged causing a leak .
Saw still ran but eventually took out the bearing .
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

ehp

I make my living running saws logging and can afford whatever saw is out there and have most , I will be buying a new 462 , reason are this, I have yet to run a saw that I want to run that has the 2 split type carb setup like the 562, in my air where I log 99.9% of the time that system just does not work cause Im right at Lake Erie and you can reset that carb until your blue in the face and it will always have a huge bog when you go off idle , now my ported 562 run great but Im talking stock. Next the 462 is light , I like that . the 462 will not be stock either as neither are my 461's arctics, Im hoping the 462 comes in arctic as well. But that is just me and my views

gman98

Thank you for all the replies guys.  I decided to go with the 562.

Thanks
Forest technician and part time equipment operator.  Looking to get set up with some logging equipment of my own.

Stoneyacrefarm

Congrats GMan.
Good luck with your new saw.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

Cutter Q

How do you like your 562? I am trying to decide between 562, 572, or possibly the 565.. I would primarily run a 20" bar and use it mostly on hard woods.

Mt406

Cutter
I run the 562 at my mill and for falling.
It's all soft wood here even with the bar  Buried it still has good power. The 1st one I had seized a crank bearing at 36 hours. Took it back to the saw shop they said they had 4 saws out of the same lot. By from a professional saw shop if possible. The farm stores will not back you up very well if you need warranty.
 Going to be selling 660 And 064 they're just getting too heavy after back surgery.

Scott 

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