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Started by gman98, September 11, 2017, 11:57:29 AM

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gman98

Hello guys.  Looking to pick up a new saw for this winter.  I'm looking at 3 different saws, the jonsered 2166, husqvarna 562xp, and the husqvarna 372xp.  This will be my main saw for the winter and will replace my 362, and the 362 will become a spare.  I noticed the 562 cranks .1 less hp than the 2166.  The 2166 has about 100$ dollar less price tag.  I have a fair amount of experience with the 372's, and know them to be an excellent saw, and relatively easy to maintain.  I'll be using any one of these saws for pretty much all tasks on the job (felling, limping, bucking).  Will be cutting both hardwood and softwood.  What is you guys opinions?

Thanks
Forest technician and part time equipment operator.  Looking to get set up with some logging equipment of my own.

Stoneyacrefarm

Gman,
Just to make it more confusing.
The 576 is also a great option.
No comparison to the 562.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

gman98

Quote from: Stoneyacrefarm on September 11, 2017, 12:27:46 PM
Gman,
Just to make it more confusing.
The 576 is also a great option.
No comparison to the 562.
Ran a 575 last winter which was awful heavy and underpowered.  It ended up giving out on the 3rd week on the job.  I imagine the 576 must be redone though.
Forest technician and part time equipment operator.  Looking to get set up with some logging equipment of my own.

Stoneyacrefarm

I have one I'm running now.
No issues with it yet and it has a 4 year warranty.
Replaced a 575 that I ran for 4 or 5 years.
Try one if you can and see what you think.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

gman98

Quote from: Stoneyacrefarm on September 11, 2017, 02:30:07 PM
I have one I'm running now.
No issues with it yet and it has a 4 year warranty.
Replaced a 575 that I ran for 4 or 5 years.
Try one if you can and see what you think.
The 575/576 really reaches into the large spectrum for what I need, as does the 372.  Won't be cutting a lot of hard hardwoods, mostly popple and some soft maple.  The majority of it will be softwood, with a lot of limbing, but I also want a saw that can handle the hardwoods.
Forest technician and part time equipment operator.  Looking to get set up with some logging equipment of my own.

Stoneyacrefarm

I was really impressed with how the 576AT ran.
Didn't think I was going to like it and was skeptical about it at first.
Once I started running it I changed my tune.
It is a bit on the heavy side but cuts fast and very smooth.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

DelawhereJoe

Personally I wouldn't even consider a 2166 all the weight of a 70cc saw with the power of a 60cc. Why sure it has better torque then a 60cc but .1 hp isn't worth it to me. For the money go for either the pro grade 60cc or 70cc, the more power the better go 372 xp it will probably be a better saw anyway.
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celliott

Alot of softwood and aspen? Lots of limbing? Go with the 562xp. Or better yet, get a Jonsered 2260. Same engine, carb, etc. but it has a low top air filter and small mount bar, and in my opinion/experience (I have a 2260) it feels more agile in your hands and a bit lighter. Don't ruin the balance with a 24" bar... An 18" balances about perfect but it'll run a 20 no problem. I run a 16" on mine usually, it's lightning quick limbing and in softwood.
The revboost will be noticable limbing spruce\fir for sure, and I think you'd appreciate the weight over a 372 at the end of the day.
I've run mine head to head against my 372's with 20" bars, and the speed is nearly the same unless the bar is totally buried, then the 372 pulls away, but really not much.
Chris Elliott

Clark 666C cable skidder
Husqvarna and Jonsered pro saws
265rx clearing saw
Professional maple tubing installer and maple sugaring worker, part time logger

Riwaka

Get the 362 serviced and wait for a new 572XP

RSteiner

I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02
Randy

Stoneyacrefarm

Rsteiner.
I can relate to your thoughts.
However.
I get really annoyed when trying to cut something and wish I had more power.
I know there will be a time that I buy a smaller saw because I can't handle the added weight.
Until then I will run the biggest saw I can handle to get the most out of what I can physically do.
Just my thoughts.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

nativewolf

Quote from: RSteiner on September 13, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

The 441 was a bit of a lemon-some worked some didnt, maybe the most recent/last one stihl had issues with.  The 261/362 are great saws apparently (i am enjoying my  362 but it has some hot start issues) and the 462 coming out looks very promising (the saw the 441 should have been).  I actually think that battery powered saws are going to be my next light saw -they are making huge progress (not derailing I'll stop there)
Liking Walnut

HolmenTree

Quote from: RSteiner on September 13, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02
RSteiner, if weight is an issue then keep running your 357XP.
The Husqvarna 372, 272, 572XP, Stihl MS441 are all the same weight range. The 572XP and MS441CM being tied as the heaviest at 14.551 to 14.6 lbs.

With that kind of weight you might as well get the bigger 77cc displacement MS461 which weighs the same as the 441 and 572. ;)





Making a living with a saw since age 16.

Maine logger88

I'd buy the 2166 then grind the baffles off on the transfer ports making it a 2172 for 200 bucks less! I've done that with 4 of them so far. I have had 3 562s I still have one we use. They are a pretty nice saw and they rev really quick but I haven't been able to get very long life out of them and in wood bigger than 20 inches they are under powered.
79 TJ 225 81 JD 540B Husky and Jonsered saws

HolmenTree

I only run a 18" Cannon bar on my 562XP with .325 Stihl 23RS chain.
If I need more power for bigger wood then it's my OE 372XP-22"or 24".

Time for an upgrade as I'm selling my 562 and buying the latest MS362CM ll. Then replace the 372 with the MS462CM when it comes available next year.
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

DelawhereJoe

HolmenTree did that ms 261 pull you over to the darkside ? You love your Husqvarna saws...nows it Stihl this and Stihl that.
WD-40, DUCT TAPE, 024, 026, 362c-m, 041, homelite xl, JD 2510

teakwood

He is finally leaning to the best chainsaw manufacture there is! :D
National Stihl Timbersports Champion Costa Rica 2018

HolmenTree

Quote from: teakwood on September 15, 2017, 07:58:03 AM
He is finally leaning to the best chainsaw manufacture there is! :D

I ran Stihl saws and their other equipment exclusively for almost 30 years.
I only switched to Husqvarna 10 years ago because my Stihl dealer was no longer my sponsor for my logger sports competitions and our local Husqvarna dealer took it on.
Plus at the time I was impressed with the new 372XP that replaced the 272 and 371XP. The MS441 that replaced the 044/MS440 I was not so impressed with.

Quote from: DelawhereJoe on September 14, 2017, 11:33:58 PM
HolmenTree did that ms 261 pull you over to the darkside ? You love your Husqvarna saws...nows it Stihl this and Stihl that.
Joe, like I said above to Teakwood. 
Since getting pics from a member here of the prototype MS462 over 3 years ago, my interest in Stihl's future saws soared.
I haven't felt this way since the 034, 064, 084, and 044 were introduced 33- 29 years ago.
I've been watching the development of the 2 flagship saws from Husqvarna and Stihl, the 572XP and MS462 and I clearly see the 462 is the winner. (Ask me why for my answer for my next post)

Since buying the latest MS261 CM ll and 550XP I can see Husqvarna is still pushing the outdated 550XP and 562XP  with no hint of a upgraded replacement any time soon.
The MS261CM ll , MS362CM ll and MS462CM are a nice balance of latest technology  saws I need in my fleet.
:)
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

Stoneyacrefarm

Mainelogger/Holmen.
I share the same sentiments on the 562 saws.
Real nice saw but under powered for what I want to do.
My buddy has a 461 that I tried.  I just didn't like how it felt for me.
That's why I went with the 576at.
Plenty of power and fast with a sharp chain.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

Maine logger88

So Holmen why do you see the 462 as the better saw over the 572?
79 TJ 225 81 JD 540B Husky and Jonsered saws

Stoneyacrefarm

My 2 cents here.
If the 572 is the weight of the 562 and the power of the 576.
I'm in on buying one.
Don't see it happening just yet.
I have to say I'm a husky homer all the way.
Been running them for too many years now.
I'm good right now with my 576 and 390.
Can't go wrong for power and speed.
What works for me might not work for the next guy but I'm good right where I'm at.
Work hard. Be rewarded.

weimedog

Quote from: HolmenTree on September 15, 2017, 09:57:07 AM
I've been watching the development of the 2 flagship saws from Husqvarna and Stihl, the 572XP and MS462 and I clearly see the 462 is the winner. (Ask me why for my answer for my next post)

Me too...I want to hear the experienced based analysis...I remember the first couple that bounced around out here for testing. That was a few years back. I do know they have made a few updates on the 562's. I'm not certain I buy the "out dated" mantra. They broke a lot of new ground. And  that the experience from the 562's has been reflected in the new 572...but until I actually get my hands on one, I'm not going to speculate on what the final form will be. Simply don't know. Kind of excited to find out! Especially after the Jonsered news & hearing the rumored plans for the XT's and 576's, I'm looking for GOOD news!

I do have to admit my Stihl weed whacker we bought several years back put the nose under the tent....great machine!
Also been digging through a pair of 441's. Lot of "Husky" influence there it seems, but a bit bulky...an unhappy blending of concepts, almost like the 441 was their 575. From the spring anti vib to the air spun through the flywheel. One thing that has been a surprise is the castings for the cylinders. Curious to see some new ones from the newer saws. ( Have some 461's and 441's that went through the shop and probably will show up in pictures at some point. Also interested in how the throttle is actuated. Have some 391's and a 362 repair in the video bank that went through the shop ) Been slowly building Stihl experience. Been going back into their history for perspective, enjoying a 038 and have been building and learning about later models. No opinion yet...need more time. But I think what I'm learning is that I just enjoy the saw experience. And being in the woods...not as interested in brands as I once was.
Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)

HolmenTree

Quote from: Stoneyacrefarm on September 16, 2017, 01:37:05 AM
My 2 cents here.
If the 572 is the weight of the 562 and the power of the 576.
I'm in on buying one.

Stoney,  you better check the specs.....
Well here's my answer.
Actually the 72.2cc Stihl MS462C is the same weight as the 60cc 562XP.

The new 70cc Husqvarna 572XP is the same weight as the 576XP and both at the same h.p. give or take a k.w.

562XP:    3.5kw/4.7hp  13.228 lbs
MS462C: 4.4kw/6.0hp 13.227 lbs
572XP:   4.3kw/5.7hp  14.551 lbs
576XP:   4.2kw/5.6hp  14.551 lbs

What I see with Husqvarna's development of their new 572XP is a saw with a heavy duty full circle crankshaft/crankcase......that will take a much larger displacement piston cylinder.
From the 70cc it already is,  will it be a 590XP....595XP?
They failed to bring a high horsepower low weight  70cc saw to market  like what Stihl did with the MS462XP.

Husqvarna reminds me of what Poulan did back in the 1970's -'80s . Put a 60cc, 70cc, 85cc p/c on the same crankcase. All 3 saws the same weight.
Making a living with a saw since age 16.

tripg1968

Just to add another angle to the Stihl vs Husq saw debate, Im picking up a new Dolmar 6100 with a total light weight 20" bar this week. 61cc,13800 rpm,4.6 hp, 13.2 lb powerhead weight. Large oil and fuel capacity. Excited to see how it works out.

barbender

Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?
Too many irons in the fire

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