60-70cc saws for logging use?

[gman98]

Hello guys.  Looking to pick up a new saw for this winter.  I'm looking at 3 different saws, the jonsered 2166, husqvarna 562xp, and the husqvarna 372xp.  This will be my main saw for the winter and will replace my 362, and the 362 will become a spare.  I noticed the 562 cranks .1 less hp than the 2166.  The 2166 has about 100$ dollar less price tag.  I have a fair amount of experience with the 372's, and know them to be an excellent saw, and relatively easy to maintain.  I'll be using any one of these saws for pretty much all tasks on the job (felling, limping, bucking).  Will be cutting both hardwood and softwood.  What is you guys opinions?

Thanks

[Stoneyacrefarm]

Gman,
Just to make it more confusing.
The 576 is also a great option.
No comparison to the 562.

[gman98]

Gman,
Just to make it more confusing.
The 576 is also a great option.
No comparison to the 562.

Ran a 575 last winter which was awful heavy and underpowered.  It ended up giving out on the 3rd week on the job.  I imagine the 576 must be redone though.

[Stoneyacrefarm]

I have one I'm running now.
No issues with it yet and it has a 4 year warranty.
Replaced a 575 that I ran for 4 or 5 years.
Try one if you can and see what you think.

[gman98]

I have one I'm running now.
No issues with it yet and it has a 4 year warranty.
Replaced a 575 that I ran for 4 or 5 years.
Try one if you can and see what you think.

The 575/576 really reaches into the large spectrum for what I need, as does the 372.  Won't be cutting a lot of hard hardwoods, mostly popple and some soft maple.  The majority of it will be softwood, with a lot of limbing, but I also want a saw that can handle the hardwoods.

[Stoneyacrefarm]

I was really impressed with how the 576AT ran.
Didn't think I was going to like it and was skeptical about it at first.
Once I started running it I changed my tune.
It is a bit on the heavy side but cuts fast and very smooth.

[DelawhereJoe]

Personally I wouldn't even consider a 2166 all the weight of a 70cc saw with the power of a 60cc. Why sure it has better torque then a 60cc but .1 hp isn't worth it to me. For the money go for either the pro grade 60cc or 70cc, the more power the better go 372 xp it will probably be a better saw anyway.

[celliott]

Alot of softwood and aspen? Lots of limbing? Go with the 562xp. Or better yet, get a Jonsered 2260. Same engine, carb, etc. but it has a low top air filter and small mount bar, and in my opinion/experience (I have a 2260) it feels more agile in your hands and a bit lighter. Don't ruin the balance with a 24" bar... An 18" balances about perfect but it'll run a 20 no problem. I run a 16" on mine usually, it's lightning quick limbing and in softwood.
The revboost will be noticable limbing spruce\fir for sure, and I think you'd appreciate the weight over a 372 at the end of the day.
I've run mine head to head against my 372's with 20" bars, and the speed is nearly the same unless the bar is totally buried, then the 372 pulls away, but really not much.

[Riwaka]

Get the 362 serviced and wait for a new 572XP

[RSteiner]

I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

[Stoneyacrefarm]

Rsteiner.
I can relate to your thoughts.
However.
I get really annoyed when trying to cut something and wish I had more power.
I know there will be a time that I buy a smaller saw because I can't handle the added weight.
Until then I will run the biggest saw I can handle to get the most out of what I can physically do.
Just my thoughts.

[nativewolf]

I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

The 441 was a bit of a lemon-some worked some didnt, maybe the most recent/last one stihl had issues with.  The 261/362 are great saws apparently (i am enjoying my  362 but it has some hot start issues) and the 462 coming out looks very promising (the saw the 441 should have been).  I actually think that battery powered saws are going to be my next light saw -they are making huge progress (not derailing I'll stop there)

[HolmenTree]

I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

RSteiner, if weight is an issue then keep running your 357XP.
The Husqvarna 372, 272, 572XP, Stihl MS441 are all the same weight range. The 572XP and MS441CM being tied as the heaviest at 14.551 to 14.6 lbs.

With that kind of weight you might as well get the bigger 77cc displacement MS461 which weighs the same as the 441 and 572. ;)

[Maine logger88]

I'd buy the 2166 then grind the baffles off on the transfer ports making it a 2172 for 200 bucks less! I've done that with 4 of them so far. I have had 3 562s I still have one we use. They are a pretty nice saw and they rev really quick but I haven't been able to get very long life out of them and in wood bigger than 20 inches they are under powered.

[HolmenTree]

I only run a 18" Cannon bar on my 562XP with .325 Stihl 23RS chain.
If I need more power for bigger wood then it's my OE 372XP-22"or 24".

Time for an upgrade as I'm selling my 562 and buying the latest MS362CM ll. Then replace the 372 with the MS462CM when it comes available next year.

[DelawhereJoe]

HolmenTree did that ms 261 pull you over to the darkside ? You love your Husqvarna saws...nows it Stihl this and Stihl that.

[teakwood]

He is finally leaning to the best chainsaw manufacture there is! :D

[HolmenTree]

He is finally leaning to the best chainsaw manufacture there is! :D

I ran Stihl saws and their other equipment exclusively for almost 30 years.
I only switched to Husqvarna 10 years ago because my Stihl dealer was no longer my sponsor for my logger sports competitions and our local Husqvarna dealer took it on.
Plus at the time I was impressed with the new 372XP that replaced the 272 and 371XP. The MS441 that replaced the 044/MS440 I was not so impressed with.

HolmenTree did that ms 261 pull you over to the darkside ? You love your Husqvarna saws...nows it Stihl this and Stihl that.

Joe, like I said above to Teakwood. 
Since getting pics from a member here of the prototype MS462 over 3 years ago, my interest in Stihl's future saws soared.
I haven't felt this way since the 034, 064, 084, and 044 were introduced 33- 29 years ago.
I've been watching the development of the 2 flagship saws from Husqvarna and Stihl, the 572XP and MS462 and I clearly see the 462 is the winner. (Ask me why for my answer for my next post)

Since buying the latest MS261 CM ll and 550XP I can see Husqvarna is still pushing the outdated 550XP and 562XP  with no hint of a upgraded replacement any time soon.
The MS261CM ll , MS362CM ll and MS462CM are a nice balance of latest technology  saws I need in my fleet.

[Stoneyacrefarm]

Mainelogger/Holmen.
I share the same sentiments on the 562 saws.
Real nice saw but under powered for what I want to do.
My buddy has a 461 that I tried.  I just didn't like how it felt for me.
That's why I went with the 576at.
Plenty of power and fast with a sharp chain.

[Maine logger88]

So Holmen why do you see the 462 as the better saw over the 572?

[Stoneyacrefarm]

My 2 cents here.
If the 572 is the weight of the 562 and the power of the 576.
I'm in on buying one.
Don't see it happening just yet.
I have to say I'm a husky homer all the way.
Been running them for too many years now.
I'm good right now with my 576 and 390.
Can't go wrong for power and speed.
What works for me might not work for the next guy but I'm good right where I'm at.

[weimedog]

I've been watching the development of the 2 flagship saws from Husqvarna and Stihl, the 572XP and MS462 and I clearly see the 462 is the winner. (Ask me why for my answer for my next post)

Me too...I want to hear the experienced based analysis...I remember the first couple that bounced around out here for testing. That was a few years back. I do know they have made a few updates on the 562's. I'm not certain I buy the "out dated" mantra. They broke a lot of new ground. And  that the experience from the 562's has been reflected in the new 572...but until I actually get my hands on one, I'm not going to speculate on what the final form will be. Simply don't know. Kind of excited to find out! Especially after the Jonsered news & hearing the rumored plans for the XT's and 576's, I'm looking for GOOD news!

I do have to admit my Stihl weed whacker we bought several years back put the nose under the tent....great machine!
Also been digging through a pair of 441's. Lot of "Husky" influence there it seems, but a bit bulky...an unhappy blending of concepts, almost like the 441 was their 575. From the spring anti vib to the air spun through the flywheel. One thing that has been a surprise is the castings for the cylinders. Curious to see some new ones from the newer saws. ( Have some 461's and 441's that went through the shop and probably will show up in pictures at some point. Also interested in how the throttle is actuated. Have some 391's and a 362 repair in the video bank that went through the shop ) Been slowly building Stihl experience. Been going back into their history for perspective, enjoying a 038 and have been building and learning about later models. No opinion yet...need more time. But I think what I'm learning is that I just enjoy the saw experience. And being in the woods...not as interested in brands as I once was.

[HolmenTree]

My 2 cents here.
If the 572 is the weight of the 562 and the power of the 576.
I'm in on buying one.

Stoney,  you better check the specs.....
Well here's my answer.
Actually the 72.2cc Stihl MS462C is the same weight as the 60cc 562XP.

The new 70cc Husqvarna 572XP is the same weight as the 576XP and both at the same h.p. give or take a k.w.

562XP:    3.5kw/4.7hp  13.228 lbs
MS462C: 4.4kw/6.0hp 13.227 lbs
572XP:   4.3kw/5.7hp  14.551 lbs
576XP:   4.2kw/5.6hp  14.551 lbs

What I see with Husqvarna's development of their new 572XP is a saw with a heavy duty full circle crankshaft/crankcase......that will take a much larger displacement piston cylinder.
From the 70cc it already is,  will it be a 590XP....595XP?
They failed to bring a high horsepower low weight  70cc saw to market  like what Stihl did with the MS462XP.

Husqvarna reminds me of what Poulan did back in the 1970's -'80s . Put a 60cc, 70cc, 85cc p/c on the same crankcase. All 3 saws the same weight.

[tripg1968]

Just to add another angle to the Stihl vs Husq saw debate, Im picking up a new Dolmar 6100 with a total light weight 20" bar this week. 61cc,13800 rpm,4.6 hp, 13.2 lb powerhead weight. Large oil and fuel capacity. Excited to see how it works out.

[barbender]

Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

[weimedog]

Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.

[weimedog]

Actually the 72.2cc Stihl MS462C is the same weight as the 60cc 562XP.

Can I get one (MS462c) at my local dealer yet? Can't get the 572 yet so have to rely on the Euro's to tell us the "as delivered" configuration.

The Stihl.. Could be a game changer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7R9vEttKTM

The Husqvarna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIYooqWeaY

[weimedog]

SO there they are....WHICH one will survive the test of the loggers over the next few years...If they are equally reliable...weight & power will win the day. If one is more reliable and durable..it will win in my neck of the woods. Loggers here are a little gun shy on new models...from both brands. Don't want to be the research and development mules as the products evolve. They want to invest. Cut a lot of wood. And not need to see the saw head to a shop...and ultimately that is way more important than specs. (Why I rather have the heavier 576 than the more popular  372XT )

Any one who says they know the answer is...full of it. I certainly don't. ( Neither have time travel capability or the ability to see the future ) Time will tell as they get pressed into service. I do know the chances of having a Jonsered variant has dropped to the single digits.

[HolmenTree]

I can see the future and I know alot of answers, I don't get stuck in the rut with old outdated saws :D

I saw pictures of Stihl's prototype fuel injected saws and know what the company is capable of developing. 

[John Mc]

Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.

I thought that had already happened. Tractor Supply now sells them around here, and of the former Jonsered dealers, the old timers have closed up shop and retired, and the others have either dropped Jonsered and picked up another brand or added the other brand to their line-up (and feature the new brand a lot more prominently in their shops). Of those who have picked up a new line, Echo seems to be the most common. I do wish one of them would pick up Dolmar. No one around here sells them.

Does this mean Jonsered will no longer have their versions of the Husky pro-level saws?

[gman98]

I have a 372xp and a 20 year old 272xp both are great saws. However, the more I mature the more gravity seems to pull on them by the end of the day and I find myself reaching for an old 357xp that's a little ligther.  I watched a demo of the new 572 and was impressed.  The new technology stuff concerns me when it first comes out after a bad experience with the 441 stihl I purchased when they first hit the market. 

Just my $.02

The 441 was a bit of a lemon-some worked some didnt, maybe the most recent/last one stihl had issues with.  The 261/362 are great saws apparently (i am enjoying my  362 but it has some hot start issues) and the 462 coming out looks very promising (the saw the 441 should have been).  I actually think that battery powered saws are going to be my next light saw -they are making huge progress (not derailing I'll stop there)

The 441 is another saw I have looked at.  The price has deterred me a bit, but I do like Stihl saws.  Why are they classified as a lemon?  What issues are to be had with them?

Thanks

[weimedog]

Weimedog, what's the "Jonsered news"?

They are turning into a box store brand.

I thought that had already happened. Tractor Supply now sells them around here, and of the former Jonsered dealers, the old timers have closed up shop and retired, and the others have either dropped Jonsered and picked up another brand or added the other brand to their line-up (and feature the new brand a lot more prominently in their shops). Of those who have picked up a new line, Echo seems to be the most common. I do wish one of them would pick up Dolmar. No one around here sells them.

Does this mean Jonsered will no longer have their versions of the Husky pro-level saws?

Think you need to ask Holmantree...he can see the future..

But here is some info from someone who actually does know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-pSF7kDmFQ

[Maine logger88]

I can see the future and I know alot of answers, I don't get stuck in the rut with old outdated saws :D

I saw pictures of Stihl's prototype fuel injected saws and know what the company is capable of developing. 

Well that's a bummer I hate to switch brands lol. If that is true than I may have to try a 462... although we will have to see reliability wise which will hold up better. I can deal with a heavier less powerful saw if it doesn't have to consistently be tinkered on.

[HolmenTree]

You don't have to switch Maine, someone has to run those Huskies. Walter (Bob junior) has lots of oldies for reminiscing  ;)

[Maine logger88]

O I know but if the 462 is a way better saw and more reliable I will probably try one. I am not hard core brand loyal just a couple of ms460s put a bad taste in my mouth...

[weimedog]

I think the State department needs Holman....what going to happen with North Korea? And maybe Stihl does use him to keep an eye on the Stock Market. But my humble opinion is reliability defines if the market goes radically from one brand to the other. Neither have proven infallible over this last couple of years introducing what every time is sold as ground breaking revolutionary technology. The Stihl LOOKS to be a game changer. But I think rather than going to the tarot cards, i'll wait and see what happened after they are introduced. The Husqvarna looks to be an evolution not revolution. They have a lot of time on that technology and may have it right this time....key is the phrase "may have". Like the Stihl I'll just wait and see what happened before defining it a win or a lose..Both are pretty cool from my perspective. Both advance the state of the art. The Stihl might have taken it to a new level....we will see.

( Wow..you KNOW life is good if the biggest problem you face on a given day is being accused of having an outdated saw! !, Bet there are more than a few happy to have an out dated 440 or 372! )

[HolmenTree]

Ok relax a bit Walt, I was just giving you a little poke. You always write good when you get a little persuasion . ;D

I love my outdated old saws too. Got a 1979 Jonsereds 70E and a 1988 10mm Stihl 044 on the bench at the moment.

If you read the nightmare I had in my "Official MS261C versus 550XP test" thread post #193, dealing with warranty with Husqvarna. How my dealer here in Canada had to negotiate on the phone with claims officers that Husqvarna has contracted out all across the U.S., some working out of their basements.
Let me tell you I now know what "reliable" company I want to buy  saws from, and they don't have to contract out their warranty claims.

Which leads me to believe "how reliable are these new Huskies when the company  needs all this outside help?"

[weimedog]

Ok relax a bit Walt, I was just giving you a little poke. You always write good when you get a little persuasion . ;D

I love my outdated old saws too. Got a 1979 Jonsereds 70E and a 1988 10mm Stihl 044 on the bench at the moment.

If you read the nightmare I had in my "Official MS261C versus 550XP test" thread post #193, dealing with warranty with Husqvarna. How my dealer here in Canada had to negotiate on the phone with claims officers that Husqvarna has contracted out all across the U.S., some working out of their basements.
Let me tell you I now know what "reliable" company I want to buy  saws from, and they don't have to contract out their warranty claims.

Which leads me to believe "how reliable are these new Huskies when the company  needs all this outside help?"

K...maybe you should write my post?....  ;D The three dealers I work with, they make it work for their customers....can't comment on how Husqvarna works for them...one complains the other two don't; thats all I know...at this point in time......hoping for some insight on what I'm going to LEARN this next week on a 576 with a wiped clutch side bearing!.....a little help please?

( Actually quite relaxed. MUCH rather argue Ford/Chevy style about cool stuff coming our way instead of ..say...politics! )

[HolmenTree]

Failed clutch side bearing? First thing you check is look at the seal, rim sprocket and b/c.
Easy to see overtensioning or improper sharpening the cutter  drivetrain.
I saw a saw once that sat for a few years with veggie  oil left in the saw.
A thin film of the oil hardened onto the crank against the seal behind the oil pump. When he fired the saw up the seal lip was damaged causing a leak .
Saw still ran but eventually took out the bearing .

[ehp]

I make my living running saws logging and can afford whatever saw is out there and have most , I will be buying a new 462 , reason are this, I have yet to run a saw that I want to run that has the 2 split type carb setup like the 562, in my air where I log 99.9% of the time that system just does not work cause Im right at Lake Erie and you can reset that carb until your blue in the face and it will always have a huge bog when you go off idle , now my ported 562 run great but Im talking stock. Next the 462 is light , I like that . the 462 will not be stock either as neither are my 461's arctics, Im hoping the 462 comes in arctic as well. But that is just me and my views

[gman98]

Thank you for all the replies guys.  I decided to go with the 562.

Thanks

[Stoneyacrefarm]

Congrats GMan.
Good luck with your new saw.

[Cutter Q]

How do you like your 562? I am trying to decide between 562, 572, or possibly the 565.. I would primarily run a 20" bar and use it mostly on hard woods.

[Mt406]

Cutter
I run the 562 at my mill and for falling.
It's all soft wood here even with the bar  Buried it still has good power. The 1st one I had seized a crank bearing at 36 hours. Took it back to the saw shop they said they had 4 saws out of the same lot. By from a professional saw shop if possible. The farm stores will not back you up very well if you need warranty.
 Going to be selling 660 And 064 they're just getting too heavy after back surgery.

Scott