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« on: September 03, 2017, 01:32:06 pm »
I added to my cordless fleet of tools.
Upgraded to this Dewalt saw with a new style of battery its 60 volts.
It will run 60 volt,40 volt and 20 volt tools.
The saw is a 20 volt so its like having 3 battery's in one has lots of power and cuts nice.
I went with the 20 volt saw for weight i use mostly for cutting shiplap siding at my summer contract job.
They make a 60 volt saw but i thought it was to heavy for what i use them for.
The one i got will cut framing lumber.

  

 
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2017, 03:33:54 pm »
That brute should serve you well.   8)
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 11:42:59 pm »
I'm still using the old 18 volt stuff.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 03:11:30 pm »
I am giving up on battery tools. If you make a living with them and can write them off they are great, but for home use I am finding batteries to be a big money pit that create quite a bit of hazardous waste. Corded tools never become obsolete.  :)
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 03:28:32 pm »
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I find the more the battery's are used they last longer.
If they get light use they don't last that long that's the one drawback.
At my summer contract in a condominium complex folks don't like us using their power outlets that's why I go cordless.
I charge the battery's in my shop each night.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 03:32:39 pm »
I go cordless for daily use tools (drill, skill saw, driver) and corded for occasional use tools
(sawzall, jigsaw, etc)
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 04:38:53 pm »
I am eliminating my corded tools as fast as I can afford to.  8)
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 05:01:19 pm »
I have an OLD worm drive Skilsaw.  The thing is a tank and pretty much nothing stops it.  But it is heavy!!!  When I was working on my foundation blocks (can be cut like wood), it got real old real fast to fire up the generator, cut the block and then kill the genny.

My 20v DeWalt saw was soooo much more convenient!

On the 60v batteries - so it works like a triple 20v battery on a 20v tool?  That's pretty clever of DeWalt.  I've got three 5amp-hr, two 4amp-hr and two 2amp-hr batteries and 4 chargers so I don't think I'll be switching over any time soon.

I have the usual drill / impact combo kit that came with a sawsall and flashlight, the circular saw, leaf blower and weed wacker.  Also a corded sawsall, drill and hammer drill by DeWalt.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 05:41:52 pm »
Yes it works like 3 20volt battery's on a 20 volt tool .
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 06:09:47 pm »
Keep in mind you only get 1/3 the amperage. Total wattage determines power output.

Splitting up their voltage platform may not have been a good move. Milwaukee is staying with 18 volts, and all tools and batteries will interchange.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 06:17:50 pm »
The higher voltage basically reduces the current draw for the same power. This means the motor / wiring / control electronics can be lighter.

If you want 1,000 watts of power from a 20v system, you will need 50 amps flowing. To get the same 1,000w from a 60v system, it's only about 17 amps.

So you can up the power of the tool, without having to add massive amounts of (expensive) copper, larger contacts and switches etc.  The watt / hour rating of the battery is likely the same, but the 60v version should be slightly lighter and cheaper for the same power output. Or have a a bit more power for the same cost / weight.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 06:29:30 pm »
As long as it crosscut and rips shiplap siding all day on one charge I will be happy.
I got a great deal on the battery the same as a high capacity 20 volt.
So I thought I would give it a try .
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 06:33:07 pm »
But is that savings worth it to have split their platform? Comparisons between Dewalt and Milwaukee SCMS show that Dewalt 60volt have a slight edge in power, but require  multiple batteries and chargers, longer charge times, and less actual cuts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 06:43:24 pm »
I didn't have to buy a new charger it charged on my 20 volt charger that came with my dewalt 20 volt muti- tool
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 08:03:35 pm »
 The SCMS requires two chargers to recharge in a timely fashion. Sorry to distract from your original post.
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Re: New Tool
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2017, 08:25:11 am »
I am eliminating my corded tools as fast as I can afford to.  8)

Save those old corded tools. In a couple years they will have a small battery pack to hang on your belt that will work with any corded tool. 1 battery that fits all.  8)
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2017, 09:43:15 am »
21 thats probably true.  But it wont happen untill they are pretty sure the cordless market is saturated.   Banjo
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 09:50:42 am »
Around the shop I use corded tools for most things as they generally have more power and never go dead. But out and about around the farm cordless is king. Dragging a generator out to drill holes for fencing isn't real fun and the cordless impact is the cats meow for changing blades on the hay mower. I've abused my 20v brushless dewalt 1/2" drill and it keeps on ticking (although with some motor smoke from time to time haha)...

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2017, 11:22:54 am »
I tried one of those saws out at the logging show in Bangor this past spring; very impressive! I couldn't imagine if I was a framer or roofer being without it.

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2017, 05:26:29 pm »
I have one of the first battery drills made by Souix.  It has a cord with two alligator clips for connecting it to a 12v auto battery.
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2017, 09:49:38 pm »
Over the years have used corded & cordless, for all the same reasons mentioned above.  But had ten dead batteries from two different manufacturers.  Then saw a Utube video on how to replace the series of batteries inside the casing.  Ordered 3 new batteries from the cheapest manufacturer ($ 12 apiece), moved the contents, with some rejiggering and soldering, into my old battery casings and I now have 3 "new" batteries.  First one took me awhile but the 2nd and 3rd were done in 1/2 hour.  Lot cheaper than paying $ 50 to $100 for a new battery at the box store!!  All the best, Rob. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2017, 02:00:36 am »
I am eliminating my corded tools as fast as I can afford to.  8)

Save those old corded tools. In a couple years they will have a small battery pack to hang on your belt that will work with any corded tool. 1 battery that fits all.  8)

If the old tool is 12V you can hook it to any 12V battery. I have a old 12v drill that's connected to an old computer power supply (good for about 20amps) Usually just use it for counter sinking screw holes in shop, saves a lot of drill bit changes.

You can rebuild the old school battery packs with the Ni-cad cells. I think it was $20 something dollars for new cells for my 14v Bosch drill. and that included postage from China. New cells were rated slighter higher capacity than the originals, had solder tags for easy connection, and you reuse the thermal fuse etc from the old case. They seem to be holding up well in use.

The newer Lithium batteries are more problematic because if they don't match up properly with the charger, they tend to catch fire. The technology better, more power, less weight etc. But Lithium isn't a "friendly" material to work with. It tends to catch fire if you so much as look at it wrong.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2017, 03:41:57 am »
So where is everyone buying the replacement cells from?
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2017, 04:23:31 am »
Got mine from some random Chinese company on Ebay. They had good feedback and the stuff arrived.

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2017, 06:54:19 am »
I got one of those 60v saws back in May...works like  a champ. Dewalt has a power source that runs on several of them (and charges) that will power a 15A corded too. It's like a generator with no gas...until it goes dead. I believe it charges 4 batts at a time also.  Gotta drop another $400 though.

I think these tools are designed by politicians...they extract cash from you at an alarming rate!  :(
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I think these tools are designed by politicians...they extract cash from you at an alarming rate!  :(
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2017, 09:30:29 am »
I have one of the first battery drills made by Souix.  It has a cord with two alligator clips for connecting it to a 12v auto battery.

I have an old craftsman 14.4v drill that the battery packs and charger died many years ago. I put some wires onto the battery connections in the handle of the drill and ran some wires to a cigarette lighter plug. Its my backup for fencing projects if the dewalt batteries are all dead. Just plug it into the socket on the 4-wheeler and drill away.  :D

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2017, 11:13:31 am »
 My research into replacing li-ion cells was that unless you have the right equipment and replacement cells, its not a good idea, and only marginally cost effective. I've ended up with enough batteries just buying news tools. I now have enough batteries that I can build two or three small barns without recharging. There is another 9.0 and another rapid charger not in the pic.



 
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2017, 12:04:16 pm »
looks like your starting your own department store  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2017, 04:02:49 pm »
Dave you are set up well :)
That's a lot of portable power me hates cords as I get older :)
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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2017, 04:10:10 pm »
 Its only 89.5ah@18v. :D I had to make a choice as to what platform I was going to use a couple of years ago. I think I got lucky, as the offerings from Milwaukee have been very impressive. Its a tough decision, though, especially if you already have some tools from one brand.
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2017, 08:09:46 pm »
Dave I couldn't agree more about deciding on a platform to go with. Once you pick one it gets really pricy to switch.
Btw how do you manage to keep track of what batteries are charged? That's a lot of batteries to keep track of.

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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2017, 08:19:08 pm »
Milwaukee batteries have a fuel gauge on them, four red lights. Just push the button and you know instantly.
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2017, 09:23:23 pm »
Gotcha I remembered that after I posted, can you tell I'm on the Makita platform? :D

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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2017, 09:47:40 pm »
Its really handy to know the charge. I think most brands have some sort of gauge now.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2017, 07:56:57 am »
I have been replacing all of my air tools with M18 stuff. They do have some great tools. If you get to the farm shows around me there is always 1 item for a great price. Last time I bought it was the M18 impact. That thing puts my pneumatic one to shame.
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