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Author Topic: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?  (Read 2091 times)

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Offline lopet

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 11:46:50 pm »
not trying to pith in anyones lunch box but if I have something used for sale and someone starts to pick it apart I tell them to go buy a new one and walk away I hate when some one does that knowing full well its old and used  :)

Haa, I bought and sold a lot of stuff over the years. Most everyone has a bit of wiggel room, but they always know what it's worth in scrap.  :)
Sometimes it can be the case, that the first offer you just turned down was the best one ! Then what ?
I have to admit that I bought/sold for a firm price because it was priced to sell.  You have to know the market.
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2017, 12:52:21 pm »
The one phrase that drives me crazy when selling stuff is, "what's your bottom dollar?".  I put a price on it.  If you don't like the price, make an offer.  As a local auctioneer says, "it's just like checkers". I took my turn, now you take yours.

Usually when someone asks what my bottom dollar is, I ask them what there top dollar is.  Throws them off enough that we can have an honest conversation.   :D

My best advice is figure out what your "walk away" price is.  (If you can't get it for $x, you will walk away.)  Offer a bit less than that then come up.  Don't be wish washy  and you can both feel like you had an honest interaction regardless of the outcome.  Respect their time, try not to take too much of it, and thank them for their time if you do end up walking away. 

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2017, 01:14:06 am »
It's always a bit of a game to find out how motivated the seller is.  When I think a piece of equipment  is priced too high my favorite saying is after looking at it ....." Maybe it's not quite what I was looking for ".... After that you usually know if you are the first guy looking at it or the second or third, because they will tell you  ;D  I would never say .... " What's the best you can do ? "........
Always try to be polite and try to explain that it costs so much to replace that, or to do a tire.  Some folks have basically no idea and some do,but don't wanna do it them self. :)
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2017, 05:09:26 pm »
Ive been a buyer and seller of junk, mine and others, for quite a few years.  Everyone is different. Theres no silver bullet. I was an exporter for a scrap yard for a while.  Whenever i got the 'scrap' talk id chop them right down pretty quick. "We buy em for bottom dollar, then find out what the top dollar is.  Whats your bid? We're in no rush."

People who try to offend the other party are just idiots, i never struck a deal with that guy and i struck thousands of deals.  I have only two strategies for lowball buying and theyve served me well.

For friendly people who are happy to BS with a stranger, ill wrap up our friendly chat and say "tell ya what, i like your machine and I think i can make do with it but the most i can risk is $2200.  For $3k im gonna pass.  So go ahead and see if you can find your buyer for 3..  If not or if something changes give me a call."

If someone is gonna take a financial beating theyd much rather take it from a new pal than a jerk.

For mr busy busy gruff seller who doesnt wanna talk  ill say "joe, im not lookin to win at your expense or lose at mine.. whats a price we can both walk away happy about?" 

My automatic response to the age old "its worth that all day"  mentality is "well, not to me.  Ill quit wasting your time"   oh.. Wait wait hang on is usually the response.

Never ever tell a person what something is worth.  Gawd how many sales ive watched disintegrate when a colleague pulls that stupid line. 

Its worth what you can get. And what you can get is a function of how many times you show it.

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2017, 11:52:12 pm »
I bought one of those 10-12 years ago for $1500.  Had a ford engine, truck transmission, and maybe a franklin transfer case.  You start looking at finding seal kits to repack cylinders and replacing hoses etc if that's all that is wrong and I don't think it would be worth the trouble.  I scrapped most of the one I had out and I never regretted it.  A good tractor with a hydraulic grapple is hard to beat.  Easier to move if you needed to and you can do other things with it beside logging.             

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 09:13:24 am »
Well, I bought it for $2,500. Even with the front end dragging the ground and the loader hoses raining oil, it seems strong, reasonably tight and moves well in every direction. Hardly any leakage from the cylinders themselves. Now I'm looking into cheap used ag tires to get started with, and hoses from the less expensive vendors. Additional investment will remain minimal until I can give the thing a decent test in the woods. I'll add pictures as I make progress.

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 09:24:20 am »
Please add more pictures.  ;D  Does not look like a high production machine. BUT it's like you paid $100,000 for it either.
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 11:23:30 am »
Tell ya what, im jealous.  Beats what i got for right now.

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2017, 02:38:21 pm »
do your self a favor don't skimp on cheap hydro hoses it will come back and bite you in the ars later on  jmop

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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2017, 06:35:14 pm »
IME 2 wire hoses have no place on any forestry or farming equipment. They maybe cheaper and get you running, but any sort of abrasion, stray stick, stiff breeze, etc is just asking for a blown hose. 4 or 6 wire hoses are all I buy anymore, more expensive up front but better lifespan and piece of mind. 

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2017, 06:47:33 pm »
Congrats and good luck with it.
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2017, 08:25:26 am »
Good luck with your "new" machine there claytonfsmith. I disagree with the two wire hose comment on forestry equipment but I do agree that the four is a lot better. I ran Timberjack 230D forwarders for years and all we ever used were two wire hoses and they lasted just fine. The system on that machine should relief out at 2000 PSI so a two wire hose is fine. We used reusable fittings and had a vise welded to the side of the machine, kept a roll of hose also and made hoses right where they burst in the cutover. Very efficient and little downtime as opposed to now where if you don't have a spare hose you need to find a crimper and walkout to find it >:(.

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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2017, 11:44:52 am »
We used reusable fittings and had a vise welded to the side of the machine, kept a roll of hose also and made hoses right where they burst in the cutover.

You forgot about the two gallons of spare oil you carried on the machine as well. ;D ;D Or did you have a secret spare tank to tap in to ?
Agree on getting hoses made according to your hydraulic pressure system.
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2017, 02:01:45 pm »
I don't run 4 wire hoses for the higher pressure rating. I run them because they are much more immune to abrasion and wear and tear. 2 wire hose all it takes is a little nick in the wires and it will soon blow, a 4 wire gives you an extra layer of protection, and locally the price isn't really that much more for a hose that lasts way better.

Last fall I had my pickup buried in the mud right to the frame and my tow strap wasn't quite long enough to reach good ground. We tied a 3/4" 2 wire gates hose onto the strap and promptly broke it, then tied a 1/2" 4 wire hose onto the strap and we were able to jerk the truck up out of the mud, then went on to run that hose on the processor for a while until it finally rubbed through in one spot.

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2017, 07:41:49 pm »
That machine is an early design and the main design features are no longer used. Specifically the loader mounted on the front section is not a good idea as you can't get 360 deg rotation so when you swing to one side you have to go all the way back around the front to get to the other side. The dead spot in the rotation must be in the back since the loader is all the way to the front when traveling. Plus the loader mounted on the front section is a no-no for many reasons.

If you put enough money into repairs you might get a workable machine and you might not. You have to wonder why there were so few of them around and why that one was abandoned.

So far the loader seems to travel 270 degrees, from front, swinging around the back to a point straight out on the left side. I think I can make do with that, but the seller says it should swing 360 degrees. I'll figure out that situation when I get it home.

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2017, 10:11:22 pm »
I'm going to disagree with Chevy on this one too- I think 4 wire would be overkill on this machine (unless you needed to pull someone's pickup out with one😁) our forwarders run 2 wire and I'm amazed at how long they last, even after there's frayed wires sticking out. There are sometimes friendly wagers placed on a frayed hose, as to when it's going to let go😊 Most of my hose issues on the forwarder are from me hitting things and breaking fittings.
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2017, 11:09:39 am »

So far the loader seems to travel 270 degrees, from front, swinging around the back to a point straight out on the left side. I think I can make do with that, but the seller says it should swing 360 degrees. I'll figure out that situation when I get it home.

The swing mechanism on that forwarder and most other forwarders is a rack and pinion gear which determines the maximum rotation. On most forwarders the dead spot is the engine end of the machine which is OK because you rarely have a need to work on the opposite end from the bunk. With the dead spot in the bunk end it limits your working area because if you are picking up wood on one side of the machine, in order to switch sides you would have to swing all the way around the front of the machine. Depending on the exact placement of the dead spot, you may not be able to access the entire width of the bunk from either side of the rotation. With that type of design, you would hope to have somewhat more than 360 degrees of rotation.

Truck mounted loaders usually have a hydraulic motor for swing rotation so you are limited in degrees of swing by how the hydraulic supply and return hoses are connected.
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Re: Soderhamn forwarder - buy or not?
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2017, 12:05:35 pm »
our forwarders run 2 wire and I'm amazed at how long they last

We could never keep a 2 wire hose on either our processor or forwarder for more than a few weeks. Anytime you bumped them or caught them on anything they would start weeping and finally blow. 4 wire hoses could be smashed just about flat and have all kinds of wires sticking out and still keep on rolling.

For reference I had a hose made this morning for my hay mower. I paid $55 for a 4 wire hose locally, he said the same hose in 2 wire would be $46. To me the added protection is a no brainer for 9 extra dollars, that would barely buy a gallon of oil when the 2 wire hose fails.