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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2017, 12:57:50 pm »
Pressure plate and clutches came in yesterday. UPS man slid it to the back of the truck and said, "Says it weighs 82 lbs. Need help carrying that?" Back of the truck was just the right height for me to tip it up on end and hug it without bending over.

Package has the red up arrows and that broken wine glass emblem for "Fragile". I thought that was goofy until I opened the box. It was well packed with the PTO clutch disk on top of the heavy pressure plate, main clutch and clutch cover. There was a distinct possibility of damaging that PTO clutch if the box were tossed on its top, in spite of good packaging.

Now I just have to come up with a substitute for the clutch alignment tool in the manual.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2017, 01:07:45 pm »
Sounds like its a 2 stage clutch? One for the pto other for the trans? If so those can be a real bugger to line up.

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2017, 02:03:48 pm »
You'll need a *DanG good substitute. A 2 stage clutch can be a PITA even with the proper alignment tool.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2017, 03:17:01 pm »

Not what I'd expect to see on a box of tractor parts.




There was about a half inch of cardboard on top of that PTO clutch -- two new but flattened boxes, one a 9 x 9 x 9 and one 7 x 7 x 7.


Nearly as old as me, but I never heard of 'em before.








That gray part is the center of the main clutch.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2017, 03:23:13 pm »
Now I just have to come up with a substitute for the clutch alignment tool in the manual.

I've turned several on the wood lathe out of osage orange.  Takes longer figuring out the dimensions than it does turning the tool.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2017, 03:27:49 pm »
Cheap sonsuguns.  They should have included the clutch alignment tool with the kit.  It IS a kit after all.  I'd be calling them and asking what gives.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2017, 03:31:29 pm »
I'm going to try just taking measurements of the input shaft and turning an alignment tool, either wood as Larry suggests, or steel like I did for a VW.

Is it necessary to align the splines of both clutches with each other? The PTO shaft and transmission shaft turn independently.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2017, 03:33:34 pm »
If you don't you won't get the tranny to slide back all the way.  You'll likely have to turn the shafts or clutch to get the splines to line up.  I think you could engage the PTO and turn its shaft to make the input shafts turn to help get everything to line up.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2017, 03:53:00 pm »
I've got overhead rails in my shop so splitting for me is relatively easy .
A pilot shaft is relatively easy to make .I've used wood,metal they both work .

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 04:55:17 pm »
It can be done without but sure is easier with an alignment tool, as ox stated you will have to turn the pto a bit to get everything in line.  I'd check with any local mechanics and see if they'd let you borrow one they may have first, a lot of them will just keep a stub shaft on hand for this, most important IMO is making sure the two halves are level with one another.  I'm sorry I don't have pictures of my stands and the only camera I figured out how to hook up to this computer has been broke for a few years, we got a new digital one last year and all the pics come out blurry, could be the operator error thingy  ::).

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2017, 04:59:51 pm »
I've used a dowel wrapped with electrical tape to the proper diameter before. Never did a 2 stage like this though.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2017, 05:56:18 pm »
Cheap sonsuguns.  They should have included the clutch alignment tool with the kit.  It IS a kit after all.  I'd be calling them and asking what gives.

I almost started yellin' at 'em. There are 6 little pins -- 3 short, 3 long -- that the various levers push against to compress the springs and release each clutch. The old ones are pretty cruddy looking. Finally found a wad of bright green tape tucked in the corner of the packaging (NW corner of the box in the 3rd photo above) that had the 6 new pins in it.

Will do some cleaning before trying to make an alignment tool.

There is a small inspection plate on the side of the transmission that may allow me to reach in to turn the outer shaft. The PTO shaft runs through the center of that, so I'd have to reach behind the tractor to turn it.


Right now I have that $750 chunk hanging from a $5 ratchet strap about 3.5 feet off the floor over the place where it's gonna go. Ain't I the jeenyus.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2017, 05:59:16 pm »
I've used a dowel wrapped with electrical tape to the proper diameter before. Never did a 2 stage like this though.

I have done this with a 1/2''  socket extension, and it works better than you would think.

It turns out that Raider Bill is the jeenyus!

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2017, 06:19:10 pm »
Good time to bring this up to date with photos.

Y'all just can't know how much I appreciate the tips, tales, suggestions and encouragement. Thanks a bunch!

Photos:


This is what I was looking at when I started this thread. Seat's off, but that's about it.


Fuel shutoff, fuel line to pump, and 3 lines for the power steering, all in the way.


Instrument panel coming out along with the usual mouse nest. No eviction notice given.


Fuel tank in center, sexy exhaust to the left, and sexier walnut shift knob on the right.


Wiring not as big a mess as it looks.


Two fuel return lines that had to come off.


Under all that stuff, 2 electrical connections to the fuel gauge sender.


Custom sling rigging for removing the fuel tank with maybe 5 gallons left in it.


First glimpse under the fuel tank. 3 empty holes.


4 big banjo fittings for the power steering. I hate banjo fittings.


Throttle and kill linkages.


Hydraulic lift pressure and return lines removed from hydraulic pump.


Power steering pump, right side of engine. Hard line goes back to one of those big banjo fittings.


Power steering reservoir, left side of engine. Hard line goes back to one of those big banjo fittings.
Manual didn't mention these two hard lines hugging the engine at all. It just told about removing the drag link.


I chose to leave the big banjos alone and disconnect this one.


And the one at the power steering pump.


There's the first view of the split, when I came running back in to post about it somewhere back on page 1, I think.


The old clutch cover, pressure plates, and clutch disks.


View from other side, with flash.




Shakey-looking rigging. Don't stand too close.

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2017, 08:51:30 pm »
Would that happen to be a Ford Dextra per chance ?

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2017, 09:03:33 pm »
IIRC its a Long 310 tractor...

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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2017, 09:37:54 pm »
Would that happen to be a Ford Dextra per chance ?

See:

IIRC its a Long 310 tractor...

Also, Service manual for Long 260 - 310 Series

It was a licensed copy of a Ford 2000 or 3000. The Ford had a 3 cylinder diesel and this has a 2 cylinder. Long started out in Tarborough, NC, then it went to Romania, then became FarmTrac in Canada, I think, now ... I dunno. The trail got too confusing for me.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2017, 04:49:47 pm »
Wish I could find me a Ford3000, that would run my firewood processor great!  We got a FORD7000 at the farm.  She's a 76', runs like a champ.  Pulls the mixer wagon all summer long (winter rig has a cab!).
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2017, 09:54:15 pm »
grouch,I did this job only one time,on a B-414 international. Your photos bring back how much of a P.I.T.A. it was.
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Re: splitting a tractor
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2017, 12:48:18 pm »
grouch,I did this job only one time,on a B-414 international. Your photos bring back how much of a P.I.T.A. it was.

Glad to help bring that back.  :D

I've got most of the area scrubbed up; somebody put some kind of gasket sealer on it where the engine and transmission come together. It's stubborn.

Tried cobbling up an alignment shaft from things laying around and almost had it made from various plastic plumbing fittings and electrical conduit, but couldn't find anything suitable to fit the center of the flywheel. I'm turning a piece of steel rod down to fit and will go from there.
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