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Price for sawing
« on: August 09, 2017, 08:42:19 pm »
When sawing by the BF, do you charge say 25 cents for 1" thick then 50 cents for 2" etc

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 09:00:45 pm »
   It works out that way but bf is bf whether 4/4 or 8/4 lumber. I charge the same for a stack of lumber 8'L X 2' high X 4' wide whether that is a stack of 12 2X's or 24 1X's.

   I just saw what the customer wants then tally up the height, length and width to determine the bf sawed and multiply by my sawing rate.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 09:12:27 pm »
I do the same, that seems to be a fair way for the sawyer and the customer, thanks for the reply.

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 09:47:01 pm »
I take my Logrite ruler and measure the small end of each log.
If its a good straight log.....thats more lumber for the customer.

If the log is crooked.....then the customer will not yield has much board footage as the ruler indicated.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 11:12:37 pm »
I thought you charged $300.

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 11:32:24 pm »
Millwright,

This is one of the most frequently raised topics on the Forum. There are a wide range of methods; you'll need to consider your location, the type of equipment, and several other factors in order to reach the most appropriate method for your situation.

Although it may come down to either charging by the hour, or by the board foot, even then there are variations.  Some charge by the hour; from the time they arrive to the time they leave.  Others may use the hour meter on the mill to determine the number of hours (and many other variations).

In your original question, let's assume that you mill a log that yields 200 board feet (understanding that you wouldn't get the same yield from a log of 4/4 versus 8/4); if you charged .25 per board foot for 4/4 you would net $50.  If you charged .50 p/bf for 8/4, you would net $100 for half as many cuts/boards.  That doesn't seem fair to me.

I normally charge by the board foot, and fees vary by the thickness; thicker boards are less per board foot.  Hourly rate is my "fail safe" for low-yield milling; shorts, small diameter, specialty milling like cookies, etc.  It does take a few minutes longer to figure up the invoice at the end of the day, but I do it on a tablet which calculates the board footage, and the milling fee.  IMO, it is fair for both sides.

I strongly encourage you to get an accurate handle on what it costs you to operate your mill.  Setting your fees before you know your costs can be disastrous.  It certainly is not a one-size-fits-all process.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 08:50:10 am »
Tom,

   I understand and agree if that works for you. I fear I would chase off many customers if I had different rates for different thickness, length and diameter. In my case I use only bf and hourly. As you discuss specialty sawing is hourly as is short, small, crooked, QS, etc.. that takes too much of my time.

   The analysis you describe is a good idea. Each sawyer should have a decent understanding of his costs and ensure he is profitable IMO. Sometimes the best you job you have is the one you refuse.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 05:33:19 pm »
WV,

I agree that three variables would be confusing, I only have one - thickness.  Most clients only have two or three thicknesses; if I tell them that 4/4 is .50 p/bf and 8/4 is .40 p/bf, no one has had any difficulty understanding. 

Understanding the different ways of setting fees should be helpful, no matter which a new sawyer picks.  Fortunately, as independent businesses, we can choose the methodology that best suits our market and philosophy. 
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 06:10:02 pm »
I just charge .30 bdft straight across or $50 hr.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 07:00:56 pm »
if I tell them that 4/4 is .50 p/bf and 8/4 is .40 p/bf, no one has had any difficulty understanding.   
Tom,

   You sound like you are luckier than me if your customers have no difficulty understanding.  :D Most of the time I have to give a lesson on what a bf is and how it is computed as way too many of the people I deal with act like they have never heard of a bf. And in all honesty in today's world they may not be taught about it.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 07:06:56 pm »
And like the (old saying) here on the FF......Some days you don't make anything.  :)
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2017, 08:16:58 pm »
I charge $100 per hour. Logs brought to me. That's from the second I touch the logs to when I load the lumber. Also includes my time with the metal detector.

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2017, 09:47:30 pm »
I am at $.35 bdft and I say what a board foot is or $75 hour and I pick which.

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 10:23:22 pm »
irvi00...I totally agree.  Per hour has always worked best for me. If your production rate is good and steady than both parties are happy in the end, no matter how thick or long. I know the hourly rate covers the cost, makes a decent profit and have yet to have a person complain.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2017, 08:08:18 am »
Same as J B Griffin
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2017, 08:19:48 pm »
 I charge $70 hr. Starting when I arrive until I get loaded back up. Plus $1.75 a mile one way.

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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2017, 08:36:21 pm »
My rate is $75 hr. plus $2 a mile trip plus $50 set up fee. Cut 2100 BF (4 big red oak) in 4 hours today. I was happy with $500 and customer was happy with the beautiful large slabs. Mostly 1 1/8th and a fee 1 1/2 inch thick.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2017, 12:36:13 pm »
woodman58 and woodweasel...exactly...if you figure your production against you fee your customer paid $0.23 per board foot.  you made $500.00 and produced 2100 b/f ... 500 divided by 2100 = $0.238 cents per b/f... that is what keeps customers coming back and word of mouth spread. Now take your $500 and divide that by 4..= $125.00 per hour.  So you actually made $451.17... per hour less $48.30 which is what the $0.23 x 2100 equates to. Your total per hour actual charge is 112.92 per hour less how ever you personally figure your operating cost.
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Re: Price for sawing
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2017, 08:49:07 pm »
Woodman 58 is that $2.00 a mile, one way? Or both ways?