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build up in gullets on blade
« on: August 02, 2017, 06:44:46 pm »
I've been sawing some cedar with the woodmizer blades that came with my homemade band mill I purchased . I have noticed a build up of strands of wood fibers in the gullet of blade , possible wrong blades for the soft cedar , don't think I'm forcing blade through wood too fast its a manual mill .I didn't notice this with the black ash , spruce and birch I cut .All input is appreciated , tried to post picture as soon as I figure it out I will post http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14101/blade1.JPG
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 08:19:47 pm »
Looks like you need more lube.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 09:13:04 pm »
It looks like a dull blade to me.

Was it a new, or resharpened blade? How long have you been running it.

Cedar should cut fine with just about any blade that Woodmizer offers, but they need to be sharp.

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 09:28:18 pm »
It looks like a dull blade to me.

Was it a new, or resharpened blade? How long have you been running it.

Cedar should cut fine with just about any blade that Woodmizer offers, but they need to be sharp.

New blade ran about 15 - 8' logs with it averaging 10 - 12" diameter was running back after cut wasn't paying attention caught a branch stub popped blade off  that's when I noticed it

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 05:30:20 am »
For sure a dull blade and a lack of lube.

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 06:09:19 am »
I cut a fair amount of cedar and don't run any lube at all. My blades stay clean. If I have a blade that needs cleaning I sometimes put it on mill and cut a cedar log and it cleans it up.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 02:59:33 pm »
I run a dry blade sometimes cutting White Fir, or even Juniper. But once in a while you hit a log that wants to gum up the works.
After 15 logs, and throwing the blade off...that blade's dull.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 08:14:53 pm »
Kambilly, sometimes cedar just wants to string. You got some used bands from the original owner perhaps he just sharpened the face of the tooth and not the gullet. A ground gullet with sharp edges tends to cut the strings. Frank C.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 06:01:50 am »
Thanks I am looking for new blades to try anysuggestions mostly saw spruce, pine , tamarack some birch and poplar . My mill is powered by a 20hp Honda with a 167" band and is manual feed the local woodmizer dealer wants me to buy 15 blades at a time I don't mind spending a little more per blade to buy smaller lots until I find out what blade works best for my uses (as this is just a hobby ). I am in Canada but have a ship to address in the US
I had rented a band mill 22years ago to cut my lumber for my house and shop now I  am having a great time pulling logs off my property and watching my lumber piles grow

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 06:55:48 am »
Look at Kasco blades too. A lot cheaper then WM blades. Yes on ordering large lots of 15 blades. :(

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 07:52:00 am »
Thanks I noticed this morning that Lenox wood master GT BLADES have a deal on  plus free shipping on orders over $100 anyone have experience with these . I had a price on Kasco blades in Canada from their rep but shipping was unreal crazy made it not even worth looking into unless I buy from Kasco US and have them shipped to American address so much for supporting local.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 10:19:30 am »
I had a guy bring a batch of blades for sharpening and one looked just like yours did.  It was dull as dull could be.  He was trying to saw larch/tamarack with it.  After a sharp all was well.  I had to wire brush the blade before I could set or sharpen.

I've used Lenox blades and they aren't the worst in my opinion.  Kasco is better though.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2017, 02:10:18 pm »
Thanks , I'm going to check the US Kasco site and see how prices and shipping differ from the Canadian site
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2017, 10:30:51 pm »
By all means, check the prices on line but call them and ask about the price... and tell them you are a FF member and appreciate their sponsorship.  The blade price will improve.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 01:30:30 am »
Definitely a dull blade. Cedar is very abrasive, run lots of water to keep the blade from heating up. The Kasco dealer here in BC does not charge shipping.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2017, 09:09:59 am »
Definitely a dull blade. Cedar is very abrasive, run lots of water to keep the blade from heating up. The Kasco dealer here in BC does not charge shipping.
When I first got the mill I requested a quote from Kasco  came home one day and to my surprise there my daughter said a salesman was here it was a salesman from Kasco in Winnipeg left a price on his card .Of course I have lost his card so I sent another request got an email from salesperson from industrial bandsaw services  in Toronto area price was quite a bit higher and shipping was $100 for a lot of 10 blades
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2017, 08:36:57 pm »
I saw a lot of dry cedar and use Wm 10 and 4 degree, both work well as long as I use a lot of lube.

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2017, 09:16:50 pm »
Hopefully Monday have some time to saw try more lube and new blade see what happens. If there any others reading from Ontario where are you ordering your blades from ?
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2017, 06:48:04 am »
I order my blades from Wood-mizer . I believe you have a dealer in T-Bay . Don't they carry blades ? scouter Joe

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2017, 10:48:05 am »
I found a Kasco dealer in Ontario and hope to order some blades next week.  Not sure about the rules regarding sponsorship... sent you a pm with their contact info

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2017, 11:02:58 pm »
I order my blades from Wood-mizer . I believe you have a dealer in T-Bay . Don't they carry blades ? scouter Joe
When I last talked to him no 167" in stock and I had to order 15 at a time to get $28 pricing and that was over a year ago
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2017, 12:11:09 am »
I strongly support buying Kasco 7* from Keith in Winnipeg. He's a Kasco direct rep and I've only received good service from him. The dealer in Ontario that they set up will not get any further business from me. One try that went bad and not resolved and then I found Keith. Shipping was minimal when they charge as sometimes they leave it off. Otherwise $15.00 for a box of 10. Mine are 229"
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2017, 03:43:24 am »
I strongly support buying Kasco 7* from Keith in Winnipeg. He's a Kasco direct rep and I've only received good service from him. The dealer in Ontario that they set up will not get any further business from me. One try that went bad and not resolved and then I found Keith. Shipping was minimal when they charge as sometimes they leave it off. Otherwise $15.00o he thought  for a box of 10. Mine are 229"

I had a kasco rep come to my place one time and leave his card after I requested a quote he said he was in the area so he thought he would stop by left his card with my daughter I was sure he was from Winnipeg I have since lost his card . Do you think you could PM me contact info very interested like I said earlier the Kasco rep that emailed me when I last asked very bluntly said $100 shipping and for us in northwestern Ontario Winnipeg is way closer

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2017, 01:01:11 pm »
PM sent.

For anyone else in Western Canada that wants to contact Keith please let me know.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2017, 06:38:32 pm »
Appreciate it , I'm all for buying in Canada (supporting our local economy )as long as they treat me well and fair and not gouge prices and give me the duty tariff BS
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2017, 07:11:27 pm »
I buy and get all my bands sharpened at Moira precision. He makes bands on site to any length you want. I am not sure if he ships though. Very good guy to deal with. Near Belleville Ontario.

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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2017, 11:49:17 am »
Well I ordered 10 Lenox woodmaster GT this morning from online site not sure if I can mention it on forum but after the 5 free discount worked out to $10.86 USD a blade & free shipping had them shipped to my us address . Still going to buy some Kasco 7* like Grizzley mentioned but at about $14.50  Canadian a blade hard to turn down. See how they work when they get here .


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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2017, 11:34:47 am »
Good prices.
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2017, 08:35:13 pm »
Good prices.

Just found online there is a online coupon 5FREEGT I believe for that price have to try them
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2017, 10:55:29 pm »
haven't got new blades yet but stepped up the lube seemed to work better so far also been real careful to sweep logs of any debris
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2017, 12:37:35 pm »
Sawed some more yesterday stepped up the lubricant flow seemed to work better
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Re: build up in gullets on blade
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2017, 09:49:03 am »
It is good you're getting better results.  I think the key to successful sawmilling is to experiment until things get better, if possible.  Just remember:  one definition of insanity is doing things exactly the same over and over again and expecting different results.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2017, 09:22:32 pm »
It is good you're getting better results.  I think the key to successful sawmilling is to experiment until things get better, if possible.  Just remember:  one definition of insanity is doing things exactly the same over and over again and expecting different results.
I like that definition , I always tell my kids don't be afraid to try something new part of the learning curve is mistakes and hopefully you learn from them
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