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Parbuckling question
« on: July 25, 2017, 04:49:45 pm »
About got this ready to haul logs on, loading by parbuckling. Do I need to worry about shoring up the load side or does it look heavy enough to skip it?





I have 3 pieces of 2x2 1/4 for the ramps. Wondered if I might need to put a jack at least under the outside pieces.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 04:59:01 pm »
 

 
 

 
 

 
Loading a 42" butt Red Oak.  No need for outriggers, but I did learn to lay some old tires in the trailer bed, but with no sides, you will not have that "dropping" problem.   :o
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2017, 06:24:33 pm »
Well, I think its called Parbucking, not buckling :D :D

All kidding aside, that is a sweet trailer you have there.  When you say 2x2, I'm assuming steel, not wood ramps.  If that is "structural steel" that is C shaped, it may bend on you with a big log.

Here is my little wimpy trailer.  I put a 3,500# axle with electric brakes on it.  It is an old boat trailer that I added 3# structural steel cross pieces and some 2x3x" angle on the rear so I could have a flat deck.  In the background you can see my super heavy duty ramps (upside down).  They are 4# structural steel on edge with 2x2x3/16" angle iron "treads".  They act as log rests (sort of) and I can stick a 4x4 in to hold a log as we preposition the cable.  I think that load was a bit over 3,000#s.

 

My trailer does not move much as the logs come up the ramps - just keep it attached to the tow vehicle.
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 08:58:17 pm »
Ramps are 2" x 2"  1/4" wall square steel tubing.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 10:18:20 pm »
Hmmm, are Streetdoc and Ditchdoc related?

There is not a lot of "beam strength" in a 2x2 tube.  But it all depends on what your are loading.  If'n you are just doing 12-14" logs that are 12-14' long, probably ok.  But if you try that with a 2,000# 27" dbh log, I'm bettin' they would bend.
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2017, 10:28:10 pm »
I just sawed out a couple 4x6-8' for my ramps.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 07:57:33 am »
That looks like a heavy tandem axle trailer. I don't think the load side needs shoring up. I don't shore mine up and it is not as heavy looking as yours.

 

 
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2017, 08:11:19 am »
Well, I think its called Parbucking, not buckling :D :D
Actually in the South it is called "Cross Hauling".   ;D
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 08:37:08 am »
Always use caution . Know exactly how much each log weighs and capacity of tires , trailer , truck etc. Plan on coming home with ten fingers and ten toes!
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 10:42:36 am »
That looks like a heavy tandem axle trailer. I don't think the load side needs shoring up. I don't shore mine up and it is not as heavy looking as yours.

 

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Are your ramps steel tubing? My deck is 32-33" high.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 10:44:25 am »
Always use caution . Know exactly how much each log weighs and capacity of tires , trailer , truck etc. Plan on coming home with ten fingers and ten toes!

Yea, going to get the trailer weighed. Have a SRW F-350 to pull it with.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 11:01:45 am »
Are your ramps steel tubing? My deck is 32-33" high.
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My ramps are 2" x 4" x 8' with a 3/16 wall. I have bent them so now I use midway supports (seen in the pic) for heavy logs. My trailer is 28" high.
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 03:35:37 pm »
Well, I think its called Parbucking, not buckling :D :D

Google returns parbuckling results if you search for parbucking.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2017, 03:52:57 pm »
Hmm, well, you learn something new every day. smiley_dizzy  I assumed headscratch the root was from bucking hay - that is to stack it.  But parbuckling is for moving round objects using rotational advantage.  Seems around here the term parbucking is used most often - unless I was not reading clearly (probably...)
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 08:45:11 pm »
I first used parbucking to load round hay bales.  This was before I had a sawmill and before I was reading the Forum and I didn't know the method had a name.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2017, 12:39:39 am »
The trailer will be fine.  Make some drop in bunks to go in stake pockets for the far side so you dont roll them right onto yourself.  Id make the standards two tiers high, that trailer can take plenty. 

For the ramps, truss the underside with a strap of rebar or banding in tension, laid over one or two standoffs at the midpoint, if theres any question about them folding up.   

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 11:20:01 am »
Got a lead on a Warn 8274 winch. No cable on it. Would you consider synthetic rope or go back with cable for abrasion resistance?

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 12:48:56 pm »
Got a lead on a Warn 8274 winch. No cable on it. Would you consider synthetic rope or go back with cable for abrasion resistance?

Cable. Also, get yourself some 4"x4" and run them across the deck. That will make it a lot easy to unload. You can make up some 45 degree chocks to nail in the 4x4's for blocking.

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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 08:36:52 am »
Why is cable preferred over winch rope for parbuckling? I have used rope for years doing extreme offloading and recovery. To me rope seems safer.
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Re: Parbuckling question
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 08:50:55 am »
The synthetic rope made for winches will not spring back and take you off your feet it you
break it. it just falls to the ground. Try that with nylon or cable and you might not live to tell
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