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Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« on: July 19, 2017, 03:13:45 pm »
Attached is a picture of the floor upside down because I was going to have it spray foamed until I got the cost. Now I am thinking of putting blown in insulation and sealing the bottom with corrugated metal.Any thoughts would be great.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 03:33:03 pm »
I would think pink stuff and plywood would be the best option for that. Could always do 2" thick foam but the pink stuff be quite a bit cheaper.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 03:54:40 pm »
I used the pink stuff and plywood.  Some people use rat wire, but I had some extra plywood and nothing can get in to live there.

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 08:36:11 pm »
Make sure you make it mouse proof or they will take your insulation  away.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 09:54:19 pm »
I am worried the ply wood will rot
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 11:40:08 pm »
It was pt plywood.

Seems like corrugated metal would be fine. Lack of permeability could be a problem though. One of the experts should be along to comment on that though.  It should be able to breathe at the ends, so perhaps that takes care of it. 

I'm just bumbling along here. Like most people, I try to use some of the stuff I have laying around when I can and not compromise the critical areas in the process.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2017, 07:14:19 am »
If you use tin, get some steel wool and stuff it in the ends. That should keep small rats out along with snakes. I would just use some R30 batts. That should do the trick.

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 07:39:17 am »
I used fiberglass insulation to fill the floor joist bays and topped it off with the 2" rigid foam insulation.  The floor bottom is pressure treated 1/2 plywood.  The top was sealed with a polyethylene vapor barrier and topped with pressure treated 1/2" plywood.  Has worked great for my Nyle L53 dehumidification kiln. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 07:27:51 am »
Can't get to the picture. 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 03:32:59 pm »
i think these are the photos


 

  

  

  

 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 07:40:18 am »
 Those are the photos, thank you, how did you get them up and what is the proper procedure for putting pictures on this forum,it is a pain in the butt !

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 09:40:48 am »
In the list of forums, go all the way to the bottom to FORUM HELP, HOW TO POST PHOTOS.  Good info.

You're not the first one to find the photo thing to be a little awkward, but it's not bad when you get over the initial learning curve.  Whether is it's awkward or not, well, no big deal.  Everybody goes through it at first.  One thing I've noticed though is that pictures stay visible on this forum, which is a good thing.  I look at a lot of other forums where the pictures disappear pretty quickly.  So all-in-all, I'd say this is a good system once you get used to it.

Those are interesting piers.  Did you cast them yourself?  They look like the height is adjustable after the fact.  Cool.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2017, 09:16:46 pm »
 

  

  

  

  

  

 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2017, 11:49:57 am »
Lookin good!
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2017, 11:58:48 am »
Looks good.  That 2x6 framing will give you room for some good insulation.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2017, 07:35:14 pm »
  Just a few more pictures of today's progress



  

  

  

 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2017, 07:49:56 pm »
I like the extra width.  It looks like you added three feet between the north wall and the sloped roof. 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 06:37:33 am »
The total foot print is 8'x14'.We needed the ridge to be located there to achieve the 45 degree pitch and 32" south wall.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 02:44:30 pm »
Looks really good! Lord willing that I ever get time to build a kiln, my plan is to use pink foam board in the floor. What I have found to work really well is the adjustable spray foam dispensers. I used wood I joists in our house, and it was a bit tricky to insulate the rim joist with the I profile meeting it. So I cut foam board to shape, about 1/2" undersize all around, and then went around with the spray foam. With the adjustable tip, it meters really well to where it's almost like welding. The other nice thing is you can leave the gun and come back to it the next day, or month, and start spraying foam again, unlike the disposable cans that once you use some, you have to use it all or it hardens in the dispenser. Anyhow, I plan on putting board between the joists and sealing the perimeter with spray foam.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 03:18:09 pm »
I have seen lots of design modifications of the original VT kiln (1978) and many ideas were good.  Your design changes are awesome indeed.  Thanks for thinking and sharing.
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2017, 07:57:39 pm »
 Today's progress!
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 09:22:06 pm »
I have no idea why but when I am using my iPad, I tap on the distorted ones and they undistort, I tap on them again and they redistort. Are "undistort" and "redistort" words? 

They are now!  :D :laugh:
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2017, 08:36:16 pm »
Same with IPhone
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2017, 01:57:36 pm »
Here is a update on kiln!  If pictures are distorted click on them and they will repair of themselves. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2017, 04:31:18 pm »
How are you going to load the lumber?
assume pallet forks. if so then you will need to make the ground in front of the doors level.

in this picture the ground on the left is lower than the ground on the right
this will cause the lumber being loaded to be sloped when loaded.

and maybe a mirror or wireless camera to see how the position of the load is as it is being loaded

 

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2017, 05:11:27 pm »
Looks great.  If you get chance can you post what the hinges look like on inside of door?
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2017, 05:41:11 pm »
The hinges are not on the inside????
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2017, 10:14:09 am »
Sorry I was not very clear.  How are the hinges anchored on the inside.  You built up/backed under the hinge on the outside but on the inside of the door and kiln did you add a backing board?

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2017, 12:09:30 pm »
Door side has blocking and threw bolts, post side has 4.5 inch lags.
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 01:46:40 pm »
Got it!  Thanks

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 09:09:11 am »
Looks great....I like your roof design.  I need to find time to build one myself.

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2017, 06:54:13 am »
Some progress  8)
 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2017, 07:37:19 am »
What kind of paint you used? Looks great.

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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2017, 01:29:10 pm »
 Behr porch and floor flat black because regular paint can that be put on the horizontal surface  and this is a very durable paint
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2017, 10:07:55 pm »
Looking very nice!
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2017, 11:39:55 am »
Looking really good.  Any progress lately?  I'm looking forward to see some of your details for the rest of the build.  I really like what you've done so far.
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 09:14:10 pm »
Looking good. Almost ready for a load of lumber.  You do nice work.

I can't really see in the picture, but it doesn't look like any blocking between the rafters where the fans are mounted. That needs to be sealed off to create the plenum effect for air flow through the stack.  Just an observation.
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What kind of fans are you using?
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2017, 07:07:27 am »
Info on those poly sheets? From Home Depot? Looking real nice. ;D

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« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2017, 09:04:15 am »
I ordered them from a greenhouse supply co.,home Depot did not have the proper length.
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2017, 04:48:17 pm »
Tried to finish siding today but tired!

 

  

  

 
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 06:56:50 am »
That's nice looking.  You'll have to shoot us some pictures of the inside.
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2017, 06:58:37 am »
I really like how that came out. Just one question. When you have a load of wood in it will the man door still open?
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2017, 05:21:22 pm »
Depending on the size of the load.The longer the load the less the door will open. Seemed to be the best option at the time.If I did it again I would build a custom door that opens out?
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2017, 05:56:27 pm »
you can flip it around. Just means the finish trim will be on the outside instead of inside. or the other way around
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2017, 03:21:24 pm »
Finally exterior complete. 



  

  

 
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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2017, 03:55:04 pm »
This an excellent build, top quality job! You have raised the bar in this one.

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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 03:59:52 pm »
Don't you think the matching barn, house and kiln is a little over the top? :)
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2017, 04:05:11 pm »
I have seen a lot of solar kilns since I worked on the first one in 1961.  This one is the best I have seen.  Congrats.
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2017, 07:07:05 am »
Now he needs to turn the barn and house same as the kiln.  :D  How much variation can one have on the angle of the roof?  I'm at 32 latitude, is it beneficial for me to have a 45 degree angle or should I stick with 32-37 or so?
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2017, 07:20:40 am »
I was thinking about making a shed with trailer jacks to angle it for the time if year :)
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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2017, 09:41:19 am »
Great job and fantastic looking!

Thanks for documenting!

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2017, 06:09:57 am »
Any updates on how your kiln is working?

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Re: Finally starting a Solar Kiln
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2017, 04:01:45 pm »
There was a guy in sixteen acres off parker street who had a mountain of blow in insulation he was giving away for free but i cant think of the street he was on for the life of me.  Check craigslist and freecycle.. Used loose blow in has no resale value but it sure does insulate.