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Tabletops
« on: July 04, 2017, 09:34:48 pm »
I've had a lot of interest in glued up tabletops and large bookmatched slabs.I have a 25 inch plainer so I can surface almost any slab I can cut on our woodmizer but getting 2 slabs to glue up flat enough to finish with a orbital sander is tough.I ordered a 3" planing bit for 3.5 hp router my plan is build a router plane jig i hope too surface 2 sides of a 4084 top in about a hour .Does anyone have a pic of a similar setup?
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 05:53:58 am »
Joey, you should be able to run both pieces threw you planner after you straight line cut one edge off. But I too am thinking about getting a woodhaven router sled for wider slabs that I'm cutting now with my slabber mill.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 07:43:28 am »
They have to be flat before glue up.  You can skim cut them on the sawmill to flatten one face, then plane them with the skim face down on the planer bed until the other side is planed flat, and they should be flat enough to glue up.  With only one glue line (2 slabs), that part is not complicated, but that is not the problem for me.  It is the handling.  I am not set up to glue two 2" thick, 10' slabs into a 40+" wide table top and be able to handle that by myself.  Just physically not possible for me to do.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 08:04:14 pm »
Like I said before my glue joint was misaligned about 1/8 in middle of tabletop. I ordered a 3 " surfacing bit and built a sled jig it worked good .It took about 10 minutes per pass I was worried about the lines the bit left you can see them but can't feel orbital sander smoothed them out though 

  

 
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 04:55:09 am »
Joey do you say it took 10 minutes each swipe. So how long did it take to do one side? I was thinking about getting a router sled from Woodhaven. What I'm hearing is faster than that.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 11:03:45 am »
I bought a Woodhaven, but decided I wanted something a bit sturdier so I built this one:
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 11:48:29 am »
I have seen these router sleds on here a few time and have wondered why they are set up to cut across the grain instead of with the grain?

My thinking is that any time I cut something with the grain I get smoother results.

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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 12:03:52 pm »
Probably because across the grain is usually a shorter distance, and possibly easier to keep the incremental straight passes in line. That way just the router moves on each pass instead of the whole jig sliding back and forth.  Just a guess...
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 03:29:58 pm »
Curious if anyone uses a sanding disc with their router?  I just picked up a very slightly used Triton 3.25hp that I'll be trying with some slabs.  Need to get the things cleaned up and sold and need one for a workbench top.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 03:33:18 pm »
10 minutes to surface the entire top.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 05:40:23 pm »
I have seen these router sleds on here a few time and have wondered why they are set up to cut across the grain instead of with the grain?

My thinking is that any time I cut something with the grain I get smoother results.

Because the cutting is circular I don't think it makes a big difference. I run mine length wise up the board because that's easiest, the wheels are on the old mill frame, and the side to side adjust just a slide action. But I get the same "swirly" pattern of lines that show in Joey's 2nd picture.   Sander makes short work of those because the overall surface is perfectly flat. All the saw marks and any deformation from drying is gone. I also isn't affected by knots or the weird grain changes around them.


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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2017, 06:39:13 pm »
One thing that bothers me about buying the woodhaven planer sled is that if I use it on slabs say near 40" is the table I would have to built. I've never seen one working, wonder if there is a way to set it on 4 sawhorses? A table that big would take up too much room. It would be nice to have something like sawhorses that you could set on concrete drive when needed and outside for clean up.
And no I'm not planning on doing it on the floor. Too hard to get up :D
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 08:56:39 pm »
I set mine up on my outfeed table of my tablesaw .I may have a frame built out of square tubing once I work out all the kinks and keep it set up in a shed since it's so messy.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 09:06:53 pm »
The Woodhaven setup is nice but I think you would be happier with one shop built one .
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 09:08:49 pm »
Curious if anyone uses a sanding disc with their router?  I just picked up a very slightly used Triton 3.25hp that I'll be trying with some slabs.  Need to get the things cleaned up and sold and need one for a workbench top.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2017, 09:11:08 pm »
Curious if anyone uses a sanding disc with their router?  I just picked up a very slightly used Triton 3.25hp that I'll be trying with some slabs.  Need to get the things cleaned up and sold and need one for a workbench top.
I'm not sure but I think a router would turn to fast for a sanding disc
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2017, 11:42:29 am »
That's a good point.  Also no orbital action.

However, making a mount for an orbital sander sounds doable.  Just not sure it would be much of an improvement over doing it by hand.

Savannahdan, Lucas offers a sanding disc for your mill if you can swallow the price tag.  I think I'll end up with the planer head for real wide stuff, but the price of their sander goes a long way toward buying a floor sander.  My 2 cents.
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2017, 02:12:39 pm »
Yep, the price tag is what keeps me away on some of these things.  I even looked at sheetrock sanders on the pole a couple of days ago.  One of those would let me do the sanders while the slab is in a planning setup without having to bend over. 
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Re: Tabletops
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 06:13:54 am »
I was looking on craigslist for a router for a planning sled. There is a 3 1/2 hp one for $100 it's not a plunge router, so would that work? I see somewhere where they said they use a plunge router. Not sure why. I might do as Joey suggested and build one.
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 06:29:10 am »
The plunge feature makes it easier to adjust how much you are skimming off the slab. You get all set up, and then find you need to be trimming off another 1/16" to take out some cupping. Wind the fine adjust on plunge and carry on.

A non plunge machine would cut just fine, it's just more of a pain to adjust your exact cut height.
 
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