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Well now I did it. The sawmill build has begun.
« on: July 04, 2017, 06:02:33 pm »
I ordered the 22 hp predator engine from harbor freight today. Now there is no going back. I think tomorrow I need to call Linn Lumber back and order the rest of the parts.

Let the sawdust addiction begin...

Does anyone use the Linn Lumber spring loaded log clamps? I am toying with the idea of using them. They look pretty sweet in the video's
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 06:57:08 pm »
I have no idea on the loaders, but many folks have gone the Linn route with very good success.  I say go a bit more heavy than light, and plan on using off the shelf bearings and stuff.   Not sure of your basic design, but I may suggest in regards to your bed rails, rather than going with a fixed welded approach, consider using rails that you can line up with threads and lock nuts, just a thought. 
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 07:11:20 pm »
Planning on a trailer build. Figured since steel comes in 24' lengths I would do 24' bed with no seams. If I want longer I will make another section that pins together like you said. I like that idea a lot.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 08:18:07 pm »
sounds like you have a plan,, its been awhile since I've bought steel, but from years in the trade, it seems I remember those 24' sections with some kind of bow,,regardless of the shape.  Channel, I-beams, angle and tubing. Its great for frames, and with lots of care and some kind of proper tacking and welding, they can be brought back straight.  Other wise I would design a frame, then an adjustable bed rail to compensate for any bow that may show up.. a bit more cost, but in the end, lots fewer issues to deal with.  WMZ has a good idea with their design, IMO.
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 07:49:54 am »
The only time i Have noticed any bow is when I have it sitting on something without the end supported. I will definitely take a real close look at that though.

I was considering making the rail bolt on. that way when I drop a log on it and wreck it then its easy to replace. And a lot easier to align.

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 08:36:04 am »
I ordered the 22 hp predator engine from harbor freight today. Now there is no going back. I think tomorrow I need to call Linn Lumber back and order the rest of the parts.

Let the sawdust addiction begin...

Does anyone use the Linn Lumber spring loaded log clamps? I am toying with the idea of using them. They look pretty sweet in the video's
My neighbor has a Linn mill, the spring log clamps work well, also recommend the hdy tightener..

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 09:13:10 am »
yes. definitely going that route. Right now I am looking at the basic kit with HD 2 groove clutch, raise and lower kit, and spring clamps. Then build the rest.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2017, 10:12:48 am »
I use the spring clamps on my Linn Lumber homemade mill.  They've held everything I've ever needed just fine.  The mill is designed well and has performed good for me.  If I had it to do all over again I would go with the cam lock type clamps like the Boardwalk mills have on them.  Quick, simple, rugged.  The spring clamps are simple and rugged too, just probably not quite as quick.  We're talking a few seconds only, really, but there it is for you to peruse. \

I could be happier with the backstops but then again if I could do it over it would have the Boardwalk clamps and the backstop would follow the clamp.  The backstops are very simple and function perfect - they're just slower compared to others.

Don't be in a rush if you can help it and take your time to get everything as perfect as humanly possible is the only advice I'll give ya.  Once she's welded all together it's hard to straighten it.  Good luck.  And hopefully you're not dyslexic like me and you won't hafta weld and cut all apart the sawframe 3 different times!  >:( :laugh:
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2017, 10:23:28 am »
I did read your sawmill build and I really felt bad for that. I am hoping I won't make those mistakes but I am sure I will. Thats ok though. building it is half the fun.

You are not very far from me. Want a visitor? Would love to look at your mill.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2017, 10:41:02 am »
I'm guessing you're about 2.5 to 3 hours away.  That's a lot of driving to look at a mill (for me), but you're welcome to come on if ya want to!  Send me a PM if ya still feel like it. 

I'm not doing any milling again for several months because I've run out of covering materials, my stacks are drying now for a porch build and we don't have any money for new covering due to medical bills and such piling up so there won't be any real milling but I could probably throw an old black locust up on there just to give you a feel and taste of the mill if ya want.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 10:53:00 am »
That sure would be nice. Love to get a good look at the Linn stuff before ordering it. UNfortunately my schedule is insane till september.

How do you feel about sundays?
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2017, 10:54:31 am »
It's just another day to us.  Come on if you're coming.  :laugh:
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2017, 10:55:50 am »
I will let you know. This saturday the 8th is my Bday party. I may be up for a ride sunday.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2017, 07:31:24 am »
At least to start with make everything adjustable level and plumb. If a band mill is built and setup level it makes everything much easier to adjust. Frank C.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2017, 07:36:44 am »
I know I have seen ppl say not to use trailer jacks for legs but that may be the route I go. I like the quick and easy adjustability. Especially in my nice soft clay soil.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2017, 10:08:35 am »
Trailer jacks is what's holding my mill up out of the dirt.  6 of them.  Cleaned out the whole county and the next county Tractor Supply stores of them when I needed them.  I screwed 3 red pine 4x4s   sprayed down with used motor oil on the bottom of the jack shoes.  The only drawback is these jacks might could cause the mill to rock front to back just a bit in perfect situations but 99.9% of the time it's steady and solid.  Even though the locking pin is in the jack can still move on the swivel a bit.  All I can say is I wouldn't change a thing with the jacks.  Works for me.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2017, 10:18:16 am »
I was thinking about angling the jacks very slightly to fight that little rock you were talking about.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2017, 10:23:54 am »
How about figuring out a way to clamp the swivel plate tight to keep anything from moving?  Maybe drill a hole through the two plates and tighten down a nut and bolt there clamping it tight and preventing any movement.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2017, 11:50:01 am »
Simple set screw would work find for that. Will keep that in mind when I get to that point.

I was also concerned about the lifting leg shaft wiggling inside the jack sleeve.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2017, 03:15:08 pm »
I bet it would make it harder for them to rock with a 2' long oak 2x6 bolted to the foot.

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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2017, 05:33:43 pm »
That's what I did with the 4x4s I mentioned earlier.  They're running between pairs of jacks width wise to the mill.  Screwed down and all made everything pretty sturdy.

Don't worry about a little wiggling.  Won't hurt nothing.  It'll settle into the dirt a little and stiffen up.  Just make sure she's straight and true and not flexing and she'll cut straight for ya.

Or not use trailer jacks.  Beats me...
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2017, 06:23:53 pm »
Tracking says engine should be here Monday. Now I really need to order the rest of the stuff. Ox I am trying to figure out if I will be up to visiting you Sunady after my bday party on saturday. Not sure how I will feel.
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2017, 08:33:49 pm »
I would think cross bracing would stiffen up the trailer jacks. It would take a few minutes to install but braces attached with muffler clamps would likely turn the trick. Frank C.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 11:27:08 am »
Crusarius - you better hold off until a better day.  The day after a birthday and imbibing in some cold beer is a day that should be scheduled for rest.  If it were me I'd be saying, "Sorry but my birthday is the day before and there's gonna be beer and barbeque and buds."  Say no more.  ;) :D
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 11:54:54 am »
Looks like everyone I wanted to come is bailing.

Want to come? bring the mill? :)
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2017, 08:44:45 am »
Fedex says 22 hp predator is out for delivery.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2017, 08:16:06 am »
here is the first piece.



of course now I wonder how well it will fit in the cozy coupe right next to it  :)
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2017, 08:17:43 am »
Do it!  :D :D
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2017, 08:32:58 am »
I really do not need that kind of encouragement :) Already planning on building a pair of mini baja cars for father and son :)
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2017, 08:59:01 am »
Test fired the engine this weekend. Fired right up. Ran great. Hopefully it does the same under load.

Mental note for anyone buying this engine. It does not have pull start like I thought it did. And it also did not come with a fuel tank.

Good news is there is a siphon pump so it will suck fuel out of a corona bottle :)
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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2017, 09:15:27 am »
Is it the typical vacuum operated fuel pump found on these types of engines?  Glad it's running good.  I'm sure it'll be fine when hooked up and under a load.

Did you order any steel or plans or anything yet?
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2017, 09:23:53 am »
not yet. need to go back to linn lumber and look at the kits again. Still think it makes sense to order the kit for all the other parts.
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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2017, 09:24:38 am »
Ox, thanx for the hospitality was great to meet you and really helpful looking at your mill.
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2017, 02:57:26 pm »
So I have been thinking about the bed for my mill. I would like to use box steel for the main frame. I am planning on using angle iron legs down for the rails to make a V and then using v groove wheels.

How many wheels should I do?

I know it is just a matter of time before I hit the rails with the tractor or drop something on them and damage them. My thought was either 3 or 4 wheels per side. That way if I ding the rail the second wheel will carry the first over it. The wheels with be within 6" of each other on the front. if I choose 4 wheels then they will be the same 6" spacing on the back.

Now that I think about it, a true V groove wheel rides on the flats not on the point. Maybe this question just became null and void?

Anybody have any thoughts or opinions?
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 05:20:14 pm »
I got my V groove wheels off E-bay and I used 6.

 

 
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 07:41:10 pm »
What size did you use? I was thinking I wanted 2 or 2.5.
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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2017, 07:44:22 pm »
I have a few of these , new , if you want them let me know . Send something to the FF and I will send them to you !  Rob
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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2017, 08:04:25 pm »
KB did you end up centering the middle wheel?
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These are WM parts from a mill I used to own.  Rob

 
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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 08:22:29 pm »
KB did you end up centering the middle wheel?

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« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:57 am »
I had some time last night to play with the bed design. Please ,excuse my super crude drawing. it was late and last minute.



The yellow bars are 2" tubes with 1.5" tube slid inside and locked with a T nut. They have a pivot point in the center of them. The red bar connects the bottoms of all the yellows that pivot off the center point. There is a threaded rod connecting to the red bar that makes it so I can stand at the end of the mill and raise all of them using a crank or power tools. Maybe electric motor if I get crazy.

Any thoughts on why this will not work? I think it will work for raising and lowering nicely but not sure if I want all 4 backstops to move all the time.
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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2017, 09:10:01 am »
Just like some car lifts. I think it will work great if you also weld in some cross members.
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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2017, 09:22:24 am »
yea thats what those hard to see black boxes are. The arms will actually rest against them when all the way up. That will give me a positive stop so the threaded rod is not supporting it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2017, 09:23:24 am »
Go for it...
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2017, 09:40:45 am »
Ox, thanx for the hospitality was great to meet you and really helpful looking at your mill.
Glad it was helpful for ya - if you need other measurements or whatever just give a holler!

I think if you're running v groove wheels on an angle iron upside down in a "v" and you're not riding on the edge of one of the legs, and you nick or dent the top of the "v" it'll tend to push out material (the steel angle iron itself) which will make your mill bounce UP a little when it rides over it, not down.  In this scenario your extra wheels are null and void.  In this scenario quick application with a BFH (big fast hammer ;D) will mash the anomaly back down and flat with utmost authority.
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« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2017, 09:56:20 am »
Ox, that is a very good point.

Can you measure the throat depth on your saw? from the blade to the frame. Want to know how big of a beam I can make.
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« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2017, 10:03:19 am »
12 1/2".

A 12 x 12, 16' long will require 3 men and a boy to move.  Maybe even Grandma holding a whip...
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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2017, 10:21:48 am »
I have this feeling my L2800 Kubota will not be big enough when I start doing real milling
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2017, 10:31:45 am »
You're probably right.  You'll be rolling, sliding and skidding instead of lifting sometimes...

Can you set up a jib pole?  I was going to go this route years ago but never did. 

Do you know about parbuckling?  Your tractor will make short work of big logs using this method.
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« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2017, 01:04:43 pm »
I have this feeling my L2800 Kubota will not be big enough when I start doing real milling

Nothing is ever big enough, but it seems like everybody makes do with whatever they have.  I always need something bigger.  Mostly I use 3pt hitch forks on the back of the tractor and make do.  They have the most lifting capacity for my tractor.  I also made some bucket forks for the 4-in-1 which are useful too, but have their limitations.

Good luck with the build and the new tractor, forklift, skidsteer, pole barn, saw shed, kiln, equipment shed, chainsaws, cant hooks, hookaroons, etc.  you'll be getting sometime in the future.
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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2017, 01:47:16 pm »
My buddy is selling a 60 hp skidsteer :) Should be more than enough. For today :)

You are all very right. I will make do with what I have. I do have a crazy design in my head involving a pair of angled poles stuck in the ground and a winch :)
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2017, 12:09:42 am »
Does anyone use the Linn Lumber spring loaded log clamps? I am toying with the idea of using them. They look pretty sweet in the video's
My neighbor has a Linn mill, the spring log clamps work well, also recommend the hdy tightener..

 I looked on the Linn Lumber site and could not find any reference to "spring  log clamps" under accessories or parts.   Can you show me where to look?
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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2017, 07:36:26 am »
You will have to look at the videos. They only show the clamps in those.

Their website leaves a bit to be desired. Half the parts on my buy list from them do not even show up on the website.
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« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2017, 07:55:32 am »
You will have to look at the videos. They only show the clamps in those.

Their website leaves a bit to be desired. Half the parts on my buy list from them do not even show up on the website.
Crusarius beat me to it.. Yes, look for the 10 second segment, 1:00 to 1:10 in the 2012 sawmill demonstration. They simply ride back and forth on the cross rails and are held with a simple spring / chain.

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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2017, 11:26:18 am »
Little more screwing around on the computer last night. Seems I can only spend about 30 minutes at a time doing computer stuff.

This entire assembly is supposed to rotate 90 degrees to switch from backstop and clamp to just log clamps. The right half of the assembly will slide and be held in place using a spring and chain. I put a chain slot in the clamp and on the bracket so when it is rotated I do not have to try to reach underneath to hook the chain.

The same concept with the connecting rod to raise and lower all of them at one time. I was originally thinking T-bolts for set screws for the bar height adjust but now am wondering if I can mill detente slots into the bar and make spring loaded detentes. definitely make for quick easy adjustments.



The downside to this setup is not being able to use the backstop and the bottom clamp at the same time. Does anyone think that will be a problem? I feel that once it is square then I will use the clamps instead of the stops anyhow.
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2017, 11:32:44 am »
Instead of milling detente slots I bought square rack off E-bay.

 

 
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2017, 11:54:10 am »
how do you lock it? Is that what sits against the log?
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2017, 08:45:43 pm »
how do you lock it? Is that what sits against the log?

I started out with a twist screw but I soon changed to a cam lock.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #58 on: Yesterday at 07:55:33 am »
That makes sense I was picturing the rack being vertical. I plan on using a spring tensioner to hold the log clamp in place. The detentes I was talking about was for the vertical pieces so they did not have to have T-bolts to lock them in place.

Might have some time to do a quick sketch tonight.
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