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Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« on: June 29, 2017, 04:20:31 pm »
Can I kill cedar trees with the hack and squirt method. They are infesting my oak timber. What would be the best herbicide?

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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 08:57:41 pm »
what will kill cedar will also kill oak
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 11:55:22 pm »
I would only hack and squirt the cedar trees not the oak. I would hack the cedar on the trunk and spray a herbicide in the wound. This shouldn't hurt the oaks. I have used this method to kill alianthus trees, but I don't know if it will work on cedar.

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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 12:47:11 am »
When we saw pasture cedar we cut at ground level just high enough to keep the chain out of the dirt and below any branches so all you have left is a short inch or two stump only, then spray stump with tordon. Works great for us and usually never any regrowth. I have heard several people say as long as you cut cedar low without any branches left on the stump it will not grow back. True or not I don't know because I always like to treat stump so I know I only have to cut the same tree one time. Hope this helps.
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 07:26:53 am »
That is good information. I think that will definitely kill the cedar trees. I have so many of them and some of them are 30 feet tall. I don't have the time now to cut them all down. I was thinking if I could kill them at least they would stop starving the oaks for water. The small ones I will cut down or nip off with the loppers.
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 10:14:10 am »
Never sprayed a Cedar.  If cut within about 3" of the ground and no remaining branches, it's dead.  One in a few hundred maybe survive.  Good enough for me.   ;D

BGD, where are you located?  Some parts of the country have a market for ERC.  Not great, but you may be able to at least get a lot of the removal work done free in exchange for the wood. 
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 05:37:07 pm »
I am in arkansas. All they want here are oak and walnut. Cedar are just weeds.

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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2017, 07:13:17 pm »
There is a guy near Branson advertising he is looking for cedar to cut on shares.  Several places in MO buy it.  Like I said, you may not get paid, but you can probably get a lot of it cut and removed for no charge, and maybe even get paid.  All for doing less work.
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2017, 09:34:34 pm »
Thanks, I will call them and see if they are interested.

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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 01:42:09 pm »
Cedar is the number one wood for cordwood construction which is gaining as more and more people go poor and revolt from the stickframe mcmansion mortgage. 

If you advertise on cordwood sites or craigslist using the terms "cordwood, stackwall, cob, strawbale, earthship,  rocket mass heater and RMH" it will move.  Some hippy will come cut the stuff for their cordwood cabin.   Any diameter, any grade will work.  You could potentially make some $$ on it. 

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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2017, 11:13:37 am »
There is no need to spray a cut cedar as long as you cut below the bottom live limb.  You can cut a cedar off at 6' and if there are no live limbs , it is dead. 
There are markets for every size cedar if you care to find them and work out the shipping.
At times we get orders for 1" saplings 8 to 10' tall with the top 1' or so of greenery left on.
We sell lots of 2", 3" and 4" poles to furniture makers.  Some want them peeled, some with bark on.  Some want them 2 years old so that bark slips off easy.
There is a fellow in Ms that wants thousands of 3 5/8" x 3 5/8" x 7',8' and 9' long.  Takes a 5" log to saw them.
4" x 4" x 8' brings $14.00 delivered to fencing companies in Mo.  Takes a 6" log to make.
They also want 5" to 6" wide 3/4" x 6' long for pickets.  Will buy thousands and are regular buyers.
Takes 7" to 9" logs.  We ship to all states from our mill in Indiana.
That said, we grind cedars off of thousands of acres in Ok to make mulch.  So we grind a lot of cedar that could be made into higher value products.  We do not have the people nor the ambition to salvage small cedars in Ok.
Cutting them off pastures and among hardwoods is understandable.
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Re: Controlling red cedar with hack and squirt?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2017, 02:53:53 am »
Western Arkansas has plenty of cedar markets .
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