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Author Topic: if i buy( Saw Mill ez board walk 40 is this the best mill at $8000 range?  (Read 2818 times)

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Offline plantman

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I see your point. The bandsaw works better than the Lucas because it is automated but at the cost of a lot more moving parts and complexity. I must admit to seeing numerous people on craigslist milling mountains of lumber with their Woodmizers. That probably wouldn't be happening if they were pushing and pulling a Lucas all day. Kind of reminds me of when I was a kid cutting lawns with a 21" Sensation lawnmower. We all graduated from those pretty quickly and now we're all happy fat and rich ! Ha ha ! 

As has been mentioned, each of us are "experts" in our own back yards.  I have been sawing with my bandmill for 15 years and I don't produce "wavy" lumber.  ;)

I watched FF member Meadows Miller saw the 30" top end Red Oak log featured in this topic:  LINK
He was sawing with a Lucas sawmill and was getting one 1X6, etc. with each pass and had to change his sweaty shirt before finishing.  After canting, I would have been getting 3 with each pass.

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New at this, still.  I would like to put in my vote for manual to start with, whether swing or band, since my learning has been aided by the sound (even w ear protection) and feel of pushing the mill through the wood.  But once I learn what I'm doing, I can see where automation would be nice if I were trying to do a lot of sawing in a given day.  Especially with the near 100 days we've had around here recently.

I don't know of very many bandmills that will handle that 40 inch log referred to earlier, certainly not the typical wood-mizer (or any of them, according to stated specs) or the ez boardwalk referenced herein, though I believe there are bigger band mills out there with larger capacity throats.  My Peterson WPF can be moved to & assembled over up to a 5 ft log.  The 8 inch model (mine is 10 in) extends that capability to a 6 ft log, because of the smaller blade.  Peterson and Lucas, maybe others, will custom build an even larger mill.  I would be willing to bet that some of the smaller band mill makers, like the guy in New York, would probably build whatever you want if it was "engineering feasible", and you were willing to pay.

The thought of moving a 7000 lb log around gives me the willies, even if I could use my 33,000 lb Liebherr loader to do it (lifts 17k, my A300 Bobcat is only rated for 3k lift).  And that's assuming that the log deck on the bandmill could handle it.  Cutting it down to size with a portable swing blade mill where it sits sure sounds like a good way to go.

As has been said many times on this forum, it depends on what you're doing-- there are so many considerations to take into account.  My plans at this point are to get a band mill eventually, and I will be looking for a good used one as I was when I bought the Peterson.
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More than a few of us have sawed 40 inch diameter logs on our typical WM's  ;D
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 Can you saw a 40 inch log without removing your blade guides ?  Just asking cause I want to know--wm is likely the band mill of choice when I can buy one to work with my swing blade.
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My Lt40 will raise blade to cut at 36 inches. Might not be ablr yo make a sq cant in 4 cuts but it is very doable. And you are correct about 24 inches being widest sq cant

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24 inches is a big deal in my view since it takes in countertop width.  The Woodland mills model 130 is 1 inch short on that, for example.

I can slab that width, but otherwise 20 inches double cut is my swing blade mill's limit.
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However, with a swingblade mill you can cut lumber off the top of a log and then flip the log and cut lumber off the opposite side leaving a wide slab up to 4' wide on the D&L and perhaps wider on the lucas.

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Welcome, I have the EZ 40. I have modified mine from the start. I added leveling jacks to the main deck and to extension, also added v rollers to ext to load on main deck for transport. I have some pics in profile. I use a New Holland skid steer with grapple to load logs. I have cut 36" t0 40" x 16 and 20 ft with no problems. I built my own chain style log turners and add carriage drive and lift using on board 12volt system to power everything.
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That's a nice looking mill I see in your profile pics F350. I like those modifications. Do you get much waving when you're cutting wide logs ? What brand of blades do you use ? Do you think the EZ Boardwalk is a better mill than others ? Would you buy it again ?

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plantman, Welcome to the forum. I do not get any wave at all, if I do time to change blade. I use timber wolf blades 10 degree rake various offsets for different wood. I did a lot of research before making choice. For the money mill for mill yes it is better built, all heavy steel. Nothing to put together unless you order axle kit. Plus I also to in to consideration how easy it was going to be to modify. After all the mods I probably have around 14,000. that includes building 2 wireless remote operated chain log turners. I also built a resaw attachment similar to Woodmizer conveyor type, haven't got pictures of it yet been to busy. My daughter can run the mill and she is small 5'5" 110 lbs soaking wet. My son-in-law is going to by the EZ junior just to have one. he loves the mill even before all the bells and whisles
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Forgot to mention I sharpen and set my own blades. They seem to cut better after once used and then sharpened.
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F350, so if you were sawing 3' oak logs how long could you cut before changing a blade ? Every hour ? Every day ?

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It depends if the wood is green or dried. Green I can cut 8 hrs if nothing is hit in wood. Dried change 3 - 4 hrs. I try to keep logs clean from dirt, this will kill a blade quicker than cutting dry wood or green. With new blades I run them for a couple hours then change them regardless of cut quality. new blades need to be broking in and stretched.
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I've looked at a lot of mills and dollar for dollar the EZ Boardwalk looks great. The only thing is that I could typically get logs which are at least 3' or bigger and then I'd have to spend time cutting them down with a chainsaw with sounds like a pain in the "you know what" . Otherwise I could buy a Lucas mill but that cost $16k plus $1200 for the slabbing attachment, plus freight . That's a lot of beans if this turns out to be nothing more than a hobby.
Good thing about the swingblade mill is that it's a lot easier to sharpen and you're not moving and turning the log which would save considerable time. So even though it costs a lot, it probably would make more money in the long run.

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plantman, I just bought Granberg chainsaw mill 72" cut for big slabbing job on oak 48" - 50". With the right equipment and setup its not that bad mounting a winch for pulling chainsaw mill through log. usually big logs I get are slabbed for customer. My own is cut in dimensional wood and some slabs. I have one customer bring in 5 - 6 ' oak 8' long for all slabs but he said to hot to get it cut down. the swingers are great for dimensional lumber but sometimes I have to cut max width boards for custom jobs. I have one that has 25 to 30 inch flat sawn cuts 12 to 16 feet long
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Just curious, who are the majority of your customers who want slab material ? I think the key to this as a business is to find a market for quantities of wood such as people building sheds or to use the wood for your own projects making items with high dollar value .

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I think you are right.

I started off with a plan to build a house from the lumber I sawed from my own logs. In 2008 the economy did a nose dive and the logs I was selling went from $.60 bdft to $.18. I wouldnt sell them for that so I bought a mill and built a 2000 sqft house from them. I had a lot of people bringing me logs to saw for them along, and I enjoyed sawing so when I finished  the house I decided to try to find a way to sell my lumber for a profit. I made some ties and a lot of pallet deck boards that were 5/8x4x40''. Then I started getting some orders 3x4-10 from another small sawmill like mine that couldnt keep up with making enough lumber for pallet orders. The 3x4 are a finished size for a heavy shipping skid. They kept ordering more and more until I upgraded mills to and LT40hd and than another and now we have a 4yo mill and a older one.

I had to talk to a lot of people to get that put together but it sure has been a good way to go with my cants. I have a couple other different buyers of lumber now as well and still make lots of ties and cants.

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