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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2017, 10:12:47 pm »
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It says in the Goat manual that they are Back Stops.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2017, 10:37:34 pm »
On the topic. My mill all hydro. I had a log turner idler adjustment break so no log turner. So I grabbed the can't hook. I found out very quickly that I changed the way I sawed. Not for the good. Laziness prevailed, instead of turning log I would cut my can't down to a 6x6 only turning log (manually) 4 times. Of course they were10-14in logs. And my blade took the brunt of the work (always in the bark). But the "to be edged" stack got big qiuck with alot more 2 sided live edge. I would hate to see myself on an all manual mill. It takes a day or two every ounce in a while of not having somethin to remind me of what I have. Of course it's a matter of prospective, I have to make xxx amount of lumber a week to keep up with another business I have.  If not bottleneck occurs overnight and shortly after 2 employees riding that time clock :D
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 06:03:36 am »
Manual mill is fine,if just sawing for yourself.  ;D  I only saw for mine own building projects. I would not want to try to make a living on a manual mill.  :o   ::)
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 08:04:05 am »
I make half a living with a manual mill it's hard work.
But I cut what a good seller for me.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 10:06:31 am »
Two big differences in manual vs hydraulic.. Initial cost. I bought a used manual mill cause that's what the budget would bear. I quickly found out I needed some assistance with material handling. At my age, wrestling big logs and moving/stacking lumber soon becomes an excuse for leaving the mill idle Production.. amount of lumber produced per day and the physical cost of same.
Adding factory hydraulics proved to be impractical, but there are ways around that. My current mill is the same manual wm lt40 with home-made hydraulics added a little bit at a time as I could afford. A manual mill has it's place, but if you get serious about making lumber, hydraulic assist is a must unless you enjoy abusing your bod..
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2017, 11:56:35 am »
I would to add resale value. I shopped all last winter and decided the extra I spend now for hydraulics will be at least partially returned if I ever decide to sell or trade.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2017, 12:25:53 pm »
I see ppl talk about hydraulics all the time. Does anyone ever think of electric hydraulic? or maybe straight electric that can be run off the alternator? Aren't most hydraulic systems run off a second engine? Unless its a full hydro mill?
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2017, 03:26:00 pm »
I see ppl talk about hydraulics all the time. Does anyone ever think of electric hydraulic? or maybe straight electric that can be run off the alternator? Aren't most hydraulic systems run off a second engine? Unless its a full hydro mill?

I believe Wood Mizer uses a electric powered hydraulic pump and Pineywoods homemade hydraulics are 120vac powered.  Some are powered by a second engine.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2017, 06:07:53 pm »
Two of the best friends a sawmill owner can have,

1 A diesel power-plant
2 Hydraulics

If you can have them both you're in great shape,

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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2017, 06:29:25 pm »
I'm all electric. Just turning hydraulic pumps. No gas or diesel here. I guess I'm kinda coal powered, because that's what fuels are electricity here on the power grid 8)
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2017, 06:52:59 pm »
I'm all electric. Just turning hydraulic pumps. No gas or diesel here. I guess I'm kinda coal powered, because that's what fuels are electricity here on the power grid 8)
 


 How many hp on each, if I was stationary that would be the way to go, also instead of the cord reel I'd set it up like the Cooks with the overhead wires.  Steve
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2017, 07:05:21 pm »
Mines over head wire. It also has the hydraulic hoses for up,down motor which is also hydro. 3hp hydraulic, and a whooping 10hp motor for saw.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2017, 08:03:42 pm »
there is a 16 hp kubota b7100 just down the road for sale. The guy wants 2500 for it. Bet that would make a decent power plant for my sawmill :)

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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2017, 07:09:42 am »
All manual mills should be upgradable to hydraulics, of course manufactures want you to order a new mill. Selling and buying new incurs taxes and other losses that would have made it cheaper to order the hyd's on your first mill. Dubbing around cutting for yourself alas "putter miller" is fine but that leads into milling for hire. If your an older fella get or build a hydraulic turner, give the money to yourself not the chiropractor. If your young and strong, stay that way with hyd's. Frank C.
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Re: Perspective of HYD vs MAN mill
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2017, 08:19:59 pm »
Are you referring to the side supports?  I'm not aware that WM offers extra hydraulic clamps on their mills.

I call them back stops. Some call them side supports.

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