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What type of cherry is this?
« on: May 15, 2017, 09:01:17 pm »
So I've milled a lot of Black Cherry -Prunus serotina, but my buddy John (in pic) and I just pulled this one out of the woods. About 80 percent of the base was rotted/ant nest and a windstorm blew it over.  The 8 foot butt log is about 25-27 inches, I didn't actually measure.  The one branch that leafed out looked like cherry.  The wood is pink like cherry and can be a bit darker in the center.  At the crotches, the crotch figure is deep reds.  Almost reminds me of pitch in yellow pine.  The bark of this tree is very unlike Black cherry.  Whereas black cherry is uniform light scale, this tree has heavy...what do you call it? hills and valleys.  There must be a term for it.

The dry portions of the tree, which is most of the tree as much of it has been standing dead, the wood is very hard.  I cannot get my logrite hookaroon in it.

This is an area of woods that was built on in the last 25 years and this tree is much older than that.  It's a hilly woods along the Illinois river in Morris, IL.

Any idea on what kind of cherry this could be?

 

 

This is Black Cherry that I'm used to:
 

 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 09:15:38 pm »
I don't believe that is a cherry. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 09:21:29 pm »
Whereas black cherry is uniform light scale, this tree has heavy...what do you call it? hills and valleys.  There must be a term for it.
Still going with the terrain reference, I'd say the bark has deep "furrows".  The bark is furrowed.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 09:26:44 pm »
Could that be a burr oak?

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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 09:42:02 pm »
On Wed I'll mill a small branch and get some more pics of the wood.  i don't think it's an oak. No ring pores on the end grain I can see. From the end cuts it looks like cherry.  Even the base of the butt where there was missing wood, what was there looked like curly cherry.  I don't think the butt log is curly, just the very bottom.  The bark does look more like an oak.  I'm not questioning the "leafed out branches.  I thought they were this tree, but could they have been from the small trees that were folded over when this one fell???  I was confident about he leaves, but am now doubting myself.  We cut up all the small branches and piled them up and the owner had someone come and chip them.  We shall see.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 09:43:01 pm »
Pecan.  :)
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 10:04:07 pm »
From here i would think gum.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2017, 10:34:31 pm »
Need some more pictures. If the wood has black grains in it I betting on water oak. Bark looks lIke it. And the fact it's rotten helps me lean that way. Does it stink when you saw it???
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2017, 11:56:26 pm »
I've never heard of Pecan being this far north.  No it doesn't stink when cut. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 07:16:38 am »
It is very sweetgummy looking. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 07:19:19 am »
I don't believe that the one in the arch is a cherry, but the second pic is Black Cherry!

At least it looks exactly like the Black Cherry we have in this area!

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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 06:03:13 pm »
I agree with Chuck
Second pic typical cherry bark
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 08:06:57 pm »
Chestnut oak

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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 09:08:33 pm »
Yes the second pic is just for reference.  The second pic is the typical cherry that I cut, black Cherry aka Prunus Serotina.

I will mill a piece of the tree tomorrow (Wed) so we have a better look at the wood. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 07:05:14 am »
You will also know it's not cherry when you cut it, all cherry has that pleasant smell I'm sure your nose knows. (Does that count as a Tom?)
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 09:35:37 am »
I've seen red oak around this mountain that looked really deeply furrowed in the bark like that.  That plus the fact you say it's real hard in spots makes me think it might be a red oak. 

I remember cutting some red oak tops many years ago that had been left by the loggers.  Looked rotten but just the sapwood was.  The heartwood still made some sparks from the chainsaw.  Been laying out in the woods for probably 7 years or so by that time...
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 03:13:37 pm »
WDH, Paul Case, Killamplanes, Reddog Sawmill, and Ox were all CORRECT!

I've confirmed it is an oak.  What kind of oak I do not know.  It does have ring pores.  I had to put my glasses on to see them.  So here are some pics.

Here is a piece of the firewood from some limbs.  You can definitely see tangential rays.
 

 

Here's a bit of rift cut that shows some of the rays.
 

  

Here are two pics of the inner bark.
 

 
 

 

Here is the wood of the branch I just cut for brace stock.
 

 
 

 

Here is the reason I got a bit confused.  some of the small branches I initially cut looked like cherry.
 

 

Compare that to actual black cherry shown here:
 

 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 05:02:35 pm »
Dont know the types of trees in IL. but if that was here in KY. i would still have to say black gum. your pics are looking like it more and more.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2017, 07:26:48 am »
Blackgum does not have medullary rays that are visible to the naked the eye.  Definitely an oak.  Was the tree dead?
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2017, 07:59:12 am »
Pretty much dead.  Some upper branches started to leaf out but did as soon as the tree was blown over. There was only about 15-20 percent good wood of the trunk left at the base with the rest rotted out/missing.  It wasn't wet rot.  it was pretty dry.  But this is why a windstorm finally took it down- non longer enough wood to resist.  Still lots of good wood to salvage from the tree, pretty colors too as you can see. Despite a little rot/ants nest up the butt log, it should still yield a bunch of good boards or 4x8's.  A large 4way crotch above that to chainsaw mill.  Then another good log with no ants, and a bunch of branches to mill for brace stock.

But what kind of oak is it with all those cool colors? 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2017, 08:03:55 am »
I really appreciate the effort you take to work with the wood, cutting it to enhance what is there rather than to try to force it to conform to some standard mechanical process.  That's what distinguishes a craftsman.  Keep sharing those pictures.

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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2017, 08:14:29 am »
Thanks man!  There are so many beautiful aspects of wood that many people never see.  Wait until i post my slab collection.  It's a collection beautiful slabs with knobs and other features that I intend to incorporate into my house build.  I will put them on walls and plaster around them so they look like they are growing out of the walls.  Maybe put pegs in some of hanging coats etc.  I like practical art too. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2017, 10:22:29 am »
I believe it is a red oak.  One suspect is black oak.  The characteristic orange inner back will not show if the tree was dead.  It could be shumard oak.  Small chance that it is southern red oak. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2017, 03:29:23 pm »
It is chestnut oak a kind of white oak that i saw almost daily

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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 05:13:38 pm »
What kind of oak has leaves like a cherry? not arguing . i did find shingle oak for Midwest states, leave looks cherry like but bark looks diff.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 05:46:54 pm »
My first reaction was chestnut oak.  I'm not sure you have them in Ind.  I've cut millions of bf of chestnut oak, and you can logs that look like that.  Chestnut oak may or may not have occlusion.  It doesn't look like the black oak in my area.  Another red oak you may have is scarlet oak, but the ones I've seen are usually a bit smoother. 

Cherry leaf could be shingle oak.  We don't have them in my area, but I saw them in the western part of PA.
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 08:45:46 pm »
Shingle oak makes sense given the area that the tree was found.  That is most likely what it is.  Shingle oak is a red oak. 
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Re: What type of cherry is this?
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 07:50:20 am »
As I said earlier, I think all those small branches we had to cut first with cherry leaves I think were small cherries that were laid over and snapped by the Oak when it fell.  It was just not clear that they were not from the Oak. Because I looked at the exposed pink wood of the base of the tree, I thought it was cherry and assumed that those branches with leaves were the still living part of the oak.   I vaguely remember cutting some branches with wilted leaves that I think were from the oak.  They were small, but I think they were typical oak leaves.  It fooled me in multiple ways until I could really examine the wood.

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