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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 09:45:25 pm »
Good to know on the left hand thread.  Just had that issue tonight removing the old truck tires off the axle.  Sheared the 1st nut before I realized one wheel was reverse treaded.  I'd never heard of a wheel being reverse threaded, so didn't think about it.  Other side side is right hand threaded. 

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 10:43:11 pm »
A lot of those truck wheels that are left handed will have an L stamped on the end of the nut or the end of the stud or both. That stands for the last Looser that tightened them while trying to loosen.

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 06:16:20 am »
Good to know on the left hand thread.  Just had that issue tonight removing the old truck tires off the axle.  Sheared the 1st nut before I realized one wheel was reverse treaded.  I'd never heard of a wheel being reverse threaded, so didn't think about it.  Other side side is right hand threaded.

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 11:09:35 am »
Good to know on the left hand thread.  Just had that issue tonight removing the old truck tires off the axle.  Sheared the 1st nut before I realized one wheel was reverse treaded.  I'd never heard of a wheel being reverse threaded, so didn't think about it.  Other side side is right hand threaded.

I bet it was a Dodge.

My '49 Olds has left threads on the left, right on the right. Maybe some marketer insisted on that to tell customers the wheels turning would keep the lug nuts on.

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 06:20:28 pm »
Ok, who knows how tight to install the left-hand nut to hold on the blade? How many foot lbs?

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 09:21:56 pm »
Tim, I don't recall any torque figure given. Usually hand tight with a wrench same radius as the saw or wack a shorter wrench with a soft hammer. Belsaw collars don't have the two pins that other saws have. Frank C.
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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 09:46:36 pm »
Ok, who knows how tight to install the left-hand nut to hold on the blade? How many foot lbs?

Advice I was given a few decades ago -- run it up 'til it strips out, then give it another quarter turn.                          ((Don't do that)).

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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 07:50:48 am »
Tim, I don't recall any torque figure given. Usually hand tight with a wrench same radius as the saw or wack a shorter wrench with a soft hammer. Belsaw collars don't have the two pins that other saws have. Frank C.

Sounds about right.  I use a 24" pipe wrench on a 44" blade and haven't had an issue with blade slipping.  I am on the lookout for a proper wrench before I chew up the nut.  Hopefully sawing again tomorrow- some squared stock for a timberframed picnic shelter we're building at our community hall.  Coolrunner.
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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2017, 04:17:15 pm »
My belsaw manual says the nut holding the blade (left-hand thread) should not be over-tightened. The collar has an engineered bevel on the circumference that should not be 'flattened' against the blade (see below). I use a big wrench to tighten it, but the action of the blade in the log also has the effect of tightening it.
BTW, the left-hand wheel of my rig also uses left-hand-thread lugs. I found that out the same way as Grouch says! I heard a lot of the stake trucks used in the army back in the '50s were the same way - in fact, my wheels are from that era, with the split-rim for added safety (NOT)!  :D


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Re: Belsaw M14 Rail Issue
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2017, 11:22:36 pm »
My tire fiasco took another turn when I went to get them mounted.  The tire company refused to mount the tires on the 5" rims, saying I needed minimum 6" rims.  I asked about companies selling truck rims, and there was a place two blocks away.  The salesman took a look at the rims, he'd never seen anything like them, so he brought in his manager.  His conclusion was that they were popular back in the 50's and 60's; but little hope of finding replacements now.  I searched E-bay; but no luck.

So change of course.  Luckily, I was a cheapskate when I bought the tires.  Walmart.com was $5 cheaper then Amazon.  The beauty of that came through on the return, I just drove them to the closet Walmart, and they gave me the full refund.

Now I'm going to strip off the old axle and put on a "normal" trailer axle.  Total cost is about $100 more, but makes replacement parts much more accessible.  It does necessitate removing the blade for travel, but as others have pointed out; that's advisable.