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New Sawmill shack
« on: April 17, 2017, 11:55:46 am »
I started this rebuild/build a couple months ago. The building was a free building that I had to move to my place a couple miles away. Well, sometimes free is not all that good. ::)

Once I got the building in place, I had to saw some 6x6x16'. Installed them under to give the building some floor support. Floor joists were 2x6's. :( The building is 14'x 16' wide.

 

 

The siding, it's live edge oak. I now have all that done. Installed another window, a regular door on one side and a 5' open that I will install a barn door that will slide on tracks that will be open to the sawmill bay.

 

 

Coming off the building, I will be building a section that will be 16' wide and 30' long.

The post will be 6x6's out of oak. Friday, I went and looked at some power poles. They were way to big. Stopped by the lumber company and asked if they had any 6x6's that were damaged. Came away with a couple 8's. Paid a big $7 each. ;D They have some more that I will be picking up. ;D Anyway, sawed them in half then put them on the sawmill and sawed them up like this.

 

 

After doing them, I put some 6x6x12' oak beams back on the mill and sawed them on the end to match the treated 6x6's. From there, I applied some roof tar in between the oak and the treated and bolted them together.

 

 

I have to do 4 more like them.

The bays that will be coming off the main building will be set on one side, 12' and then 18'. The 18' span is were I will be having the mill set up at and I will be able to load thru there.

I was going to saw up a beam to span that 18', but the size is longer then what I can mill. :( So I started building a header today. This is 15"x18' and is made of oak 2x6's. I will be gluing some 1/2" plywood to the sides. I hope it strong enough for the span.

 

 

Now if only the rain would stop for a couple days. Got some heavy down pours the last two with a lot more to come. :(

 

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Re: New Sawmill shack
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 01:58:07 pm »
 running-doggy  The header should work if the dog can figure out a way to get it up there!   ;D
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 04:31:06 pm »
That is my old pup. Only thing she can climb is her food bowl. :D She is 11 years old and as my grandson says, "she is broken". Was hit by a car over 8 years ago. >:( She still gets around. ;D

Installed plywood to one side of that header. Raining now.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 06:17:16 pm »
Looking good :)
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 07:20:21 pm »
That header will be strong enough to hold up the roof + whatever else you want to hang from it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 07:28:41 pm »
YOu've got it looking pretty good Fish, hope all goes well.

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Re: New Sawmill shack
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 12:14:02 pm »
I have 4 of the post set in the ground. There is nothing good working in mud.

 

 

Did the mistake of driving my backhoe over a spot that I dug up a stump. >:( Ended up having to dig out the backhoe. And yes, that is the stump. :)

 

 

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2017, 12:30:06 pm »
Do you have any information on what you used and how you built that header. I like that alot and may do the same thing for my shop build.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2017, 12:53:05 pm »
I stepped in one of my filled stump holes a few days back. Rolled my ankle over and sprained it really bad. I'm finally getting back to limping around slowly👎 I'm watching your progress here closely, I need to put up a saw shed myself and I'd like to get started on it soon.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2017, 06:22:40 pm »
Do you have any information on what you used and how you built that header. I like that alot and may do the same thing for my shop build.

It is all framed out of 2x6's. This one is 15" wide by 18' long. I did the outside frame, then came back sawing boards at a 45 degree angle. I started installing them at the ends and worked my way to the center. You do want to make sure all the center boards are the same. If one is longer then the rest, that will throw everything off. I did install some 1/2" plywood that is glued and screwed on.

Oh, DanG rain again this afternoon that came down in buckets. :( I'm trying to get this building up before the summer heat hits.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 01:45:12 pm »
running-doggy  The header should work if the dog can figure out a way to get it up there!   ;D

Well, no help from the dog, but have backhoe and things go up. ;D

 

 

 

 

And my new toy. ;D

 

 

Mt plans change a bit. I will be building another header like the first. I will be building some headers that will go across. I planning on installing a rail system and will need extra support.

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Re: New Sawmill shack
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 08:54:07 pm »
Fishfighter- I can tell you why you are having a problem with mud- your dam is too low.  Just increase the height of the pond dam by 2'; this will cause your entire yard to become pond, thus solving your mud problem.  Sometimes it is the simple things that are staring you in the face that are hard to see. 

After that, just float that nice new header over to the bay and I'll swing by in my john boat and pull it up to Virginia.  See...waste not want not. 


On a serious note (I hate to do it) that is a nice looking header.  Made me look at some engineering tables.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 08:57:11 pm »
Also, I am not an engineer but does that header have enough support moving the load to the post?  If so that is an interesting trick.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 09:04:09 pm »
What beam?  I am admiring that shiny new Logrite!!   8)
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2017, 07:02:51 am »
Also, I am not an engineer but does that header have enough support moving the load to the post?  If so that is an interesting trick.

I don't have any snow load here as y'all have to build that into your buildings. I will be adding some 6x6's at a 45 degree angle from the post up to the bottom of the header. That is the reason I didn't cover up one side with plywood yet. I will be bolting in the 45's. Once that is done, I will add more plywood to the other side. That will beef up that header even more. Another reason as to why I didn't install plywood was I needed a way to bolt the header to the post. I installed three 1/2" bolts per side. The roofing, I will be building truss for that.

When I installed the header, I made the mistake of dropping the backhoe boom down hard on the header. Just knew something screwed up, but nothing happen. :o I mean I put down a lot of force. :o Yep, was a dumb out on my part. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2017, 10:00:16 am »
I remember a plywood box header pamphlet, maybe on apawood.org. Lots of nails, something like 3" centers on them. Screws tend to be brittle where nails are ductile steel. An LVL solves those kind of span problems easier and better in snow country.

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http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,19423.msg278254.html#msg278254

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2017, 10:34:10 am »
Nice header, I don't think that thing is going anywhere, especially with the plywood.  Over built is an understatement IMO
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2017, 06:23:54 pm »
Thanks Don, going to read up on that.

Got the second header done today. Kind of cool out there for the glue to dry, so I will hang it tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

Oh, the screws thru the plywood are just to suck up in bind the plywood and glue.

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2017, 07:37:35 pm »
Awesome, now I know how to make headers. Ain't the Forestry Forum great!
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2017, 08:04:41 am »
Awesome, now I know how to make headers. Ain't the Forestry Forum great!

Look around you at old school bridges. That should give you ideas as to how things work when they bolted them together before concrete.

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2017, 01:28:41 pm »
Got the second header up this morning and had to call it a day. :(

 

 

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2017, 01:30:46 pm »
But a good day it was.   8)
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2017, 01:35:33 pm »
Sure as heck it was nice. By Friday, the temp is going to be hitting 90. :o

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2017, 03:27:13 pm »
Well this project has been sitting on the back burner. :(

been sawing up true 2x6's for the rafters. Yes green SYP and heavy, but got a start back on this project today. ;D Pre cut everything on the ground and hung everything in the air. :o Really hard doing this all by yourself, but I got this done today.

 

 

 

 

As far as the tresses, they were fine. No sagging. ;D

Reason as to why I installed the ceiling joist like I did was because I will be installing a Ibeam that will have a trolley system to run on. Also, it is way high enough that I can use and park my backhoe under it.

There will be extra bracing in the future. That is all planed out. All other trusses will be built on the ground and lifted up with my backhoe.

Also, my take using green SYP. I used it in the pass and found that as it dries and shrinks, everything gets even tighter. ;D Only real problem besides a little mold is that it's extra heavy. In fact these boards I sawed over a week ago had lost a bunch of water weight in that time.

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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2017, 07:52:21 pm »
Looks great!
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 08:38:53 pm »
Ummm, just so we don't take that and run the wrong way with it. A nail driven into green wood, that then dries, loses 30% of its' lateral shear strength and 75% of its withdrawal strength. Ring or spiral shanks or Ardox nails help especially in withdrawal.

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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2017, 09:01:24 pm »
I had a friend help me put up green hemlock 2x6 for the Woman Cave. He is no longer my friend.  :D  But than I had him help me put some up that I had sticked for a couple week............ and he's my friend again. He was shocked and happy how light they was.
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2017, 12:27:13 pm »
Ummm, just so we don't take that and run the wrong way with it. A nail driven into green wood, that then dries, loses 30% of its' lateral shear strength and 75% of its withdrawal strength. Ring or spiral shanks or Ardox nails help especially in withdrawal.

I am using ring shank nails and construction glue on all joints.

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2017, 04:47:21 pm »
Got out early this morning and was hopping to get the rafter trusses done today. Just super hot to start with. :o Got 5 out of the 8 that I need done and then the skies open up. :( Kind of sad, but it was at the point I would do one and then have to take a 15 minute break. :o I still have to install the center piece. Going to get that done maybe tomorrow along with the other three I need to build.

 

 

My little sister called and said she had something for me. It was her husbands that never open it. I never drank from a $700 bottle before and I think I sill will not. ;D Kind of rich for my taste. :D

 

 



 

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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2017, 07:24:55 pm »

My little sister called and said she had something for me. It was her husbands that never open it. I never drank from a $700 bottle before and I think I sill will not. ;D Kind of rich for my taste. :D

 

 
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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2017, 08:42:20 pm »
That stuff goes bad over time.  Better drink it.
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2017, 06:46:35 am »
That stuff goes bad over time.  Better drink it.

Heck, I never had a mason jar go bad before. ;D

DanG raining already this morning. :(

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2017, 04:20:52 pm »
Finish up framing the truss I needed in between the rain.  Got half move in place for the lift, but I will need help doing that. So it might not get done till the weekend. :(

 

 

A lot more rain in the forcast all week and I need to fire up the mill.

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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 07:27:51 pm »
It's too bad there's not a market for mold.  :)
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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2017, 08:52:27 pm »
Really. With the sun out for a couple hours, then rain, repeat that 3-4 times a day and you get the mold. It's raining hard right now. :(

Once all up and the roof over it, I will bleach the heck out of it. ;D

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 09:38:11 pm »
Really. With the sun out for a couple hours, then rain, repeat that 3-4 times a day and you get the mold. It's raining hard right now. :(

Once all up and the roof over it, I will bleach the heck out of it. ;D

Had the same weather here today Fish. Helped my BIL fix his truck and checked to see if the leak in my mama's house was fixed and then just decided to stay inside the rest of the day.

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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2017, 12:28:57 pm »
Yesterday was a rest day. Got out this morning and hung 3 of the 9 rafter truss. Kind of hard doing this by myself. Heard thunder and call it a morning. Besides, heat index is at 100F. :o

 

 

 

 

 

 

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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2017, 02:25:39 pm »
It must have been hot... I count four.
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2017, 04:45:47 pm »
First one was built in place. ;D And yes, it was supper hot.

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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2017, 03:03:30 pm »
Got the last of the rafter trusses up. Took 3 Tee shirts to get it done. :o Nothing like working in mud and wet feet.

 

 

Another power outage. >:( DanG  storms every day has been knocking the power off like a third world country. >:(

 

 

Maybe tomorrow I will install the end rafter.

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2017, 05:58:33 pm »
When do you start putting on the thatch?
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2017, 07:00:11 pm »
Still have a bunch of bracing to be done. Used a lot of scrap lumber just to hold things in place that has to be replaced. Hoping I can go pick up the metal roofing next Monday or some time next week. Also I still have to jack up the building to match and install new rafters to match the roof line. Got to run a power line to it also.

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2017, 07:41:19 pm »
Another power outage. >:( DanG  storms every day has been knocking the power off like a third world country. >:(
Got to run a power line to it also. 
Sounds like there is no hurry to run the power,  it's gonna be off anyway.   ;D  (sorry, I couldn't resist)   :)
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2017, 10:18:29 pm »
 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2017, 06:16:26 am »
That is alright Lynn. I'm never in a hurry to do anything these days. ;D

Now if only the rain would stop. I need to saw up some more lumber. Just to wet to run any equipment to get logs to my mill. Guess it is time to switch back to working on my camp. ;D At lease I would be working inside with the ac blowing. ;D

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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2017, 10:47:27 am »
Pardon me, but don't you need power for the AC to be blowing? ??? ??? ???
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Re: New Sawmill shack
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2017, 11:10:41 am »
looks awesome!  I love the live edge siding
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Re: New Sawmill shack
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2017, 11:38:39 am »
Paul needs a Power Box Fan !!!
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2017, 02:54:01 pm »
Pardon me, but don't you need power for the AC to be blowing? ??? ??? ???

Have genset, have ac. ;D

Got out this morning and just said to myself to hell with building a special rafter truss to finish out. So, I just built a normal truss. ;D I will just fill it in as I need to, to install live edge siding. Then the rain came. :( Already 3 T storms today. Yesterday only had 5 for the day. :( And yes, at 9am, heat index was 99F. :o

Got back on the phone to check on the roofing. Set to pick it up Monday morning. ;D Now only if I can get some 4/4 x4" lumber sawed up this weekend.

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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2017, 05:02:01 pm »
We get thunderstorms here nearly every afternoon and very little rain with them. We call them dry thunderstorms.  Modoc county in California just 30 miles to the south of us had about 70 fires started by lightning a couple of weeks ago. I see thunder heads forming right now and hope I have a place to live tomorrow.  :(
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2017, 11:32:02 am »
Hear thunder in the distance already this morning. :( Got pounded last night. :o I don't remember a extra wet summer like we are having this year. :o It looks like I will be sawing in mud this week, but I have to get some done.  :(