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Author Topic: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?  (Read 2352 times)

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Offline Dr. Cornwallis

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 04:35:08 pm »
Yep you have a great combination there!!!

  How do you like your ms261cm....I came close to getting one awhile back, but didn't....let me know how the 661 runs I bet it is a beast!!!

I really like the 261, it's extremely strong for it's size. With only .75 less hp than the 362 and close to two lbs less in weight I think it's a great saw. Its a great general purpose saw and I think it will really compliment the 661 well for limbing/processing and also for felling smaller trees.

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2017, 04:47:29 am »
Yep you have a great combination there!!!

  How do you like your ms261cm....I came close to getting one awhile back, but didn't....let me know how the 661 runs I bet it is a beast!!!

I really like the 261, it's extremely strong for it's size. With only .75 less hp than the 362 and close to two lbs less in weight I think it's a great saw. Its a great general purpose saw and I think it will really compliment the 661 well for limbing/processing and also for felling smaller trees.

 Awesome!!!!

Is you 261 mtronic....I darn near pulled the trigger and got a 261...I just truly didn't need it....still may who knows...I rebuild and sell saws, so I play with the profit money, even thought it's not that much lol...

  Hope all goes well , I want to run a 661, like right now LOL!!

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2017, 07:10:20 am »
Yep you have a great combination there!!!

  How do you like your ms261cm....I came close to getting one awhile back, but didn't....let me know how the 661 runs I bet it is a beast!!!

I really like the 261, it's extremely strong for it's size. With only .75 less hp than the 362 and close to two lbs less in weight I think it's a great saw. Its a great general purpose saw and I think it will really compliment the 661 well for limbing/processing and also for felling smaller trees.

 Awesome!!!!

Is you 261 mtronic....I darn near pulled the trigger and got a 261...I just truly didn't need it....still may who knows...I rebuild and sell saws, so I play with the profit money, even thought it's not that much lol...

  Hope all goes well , I want to run a 661, like right now LOL!!

It is M-Tronic. It's the first M-Tronic saw I've ever had. I almost ordered the non M-Tronic version because I'm usually pretty old school but I'm actually willing to give M-Tronic a fair shot and think it's a pretty great idea. Computers are extremely reliable in cars and have done wonders for them so, I don't see why they won't do the same with chainsaws and other hand held equipment. Maybe I'm wrong but that little 261 rips.

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2017, 11:33:14 am »
Yep you have a great combination there!!!

  How do you like your ms261cm....I came close to getting one awhile back, but didn't....let me know how the 661 runs I bet it is a beast!!!

I really like the 261, it's extremely strong for it's size. With only .75 less hp than the 362 and close to two lbs less in weight I think it's a great saw. Its a great general purpose saw and I think it will really compliment the 661 well for limbing/processing and also for felling smaller trees.

 Awesome!!!!

Is you 261 mtronic....I darn near pulled the trigger and got a 261...I just truly didn't need it....still may who knows...I rebuild and sell saws, so I play with the profit money, even thought it's not that much lol...

  Hope all goes well , I want to run a 661, like right now LOL!!

It is M-Tronic. It's the first M-Tronic saw I've ever had. I almost ordered the non M-Tronic version because I'm usually pretty old school but I'm actually willing to give M-Tronic a fair shot and think it's a pretty great idea. Computers are extremely reliable in cars and have done wonders for them so, I don't see why they won't do the same with chainsaws and other hand held equipment. Maybe I'm wrong but that little 261 rips.

  Noni don't think you are wrong....I am also a little skeptical, of course time will tell!!!

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2017, 10:09:09 am »
Good choice on the 661. I'm a strong athletic 5'11" 200 lb guy myself and have owned. 066 since 95'. I'm 45 now and I can tell you that the 66 feels heavy after a couple hours. I picked up a couple 461's in the last couple of years in hopes that a lighter saw would be easier on me.
My thoughts are that I didn't even notice that it was a pound or two lighter than my 66 but I did notice it didn't have near the torque of the big saw. I run 32" skip chisel on both saws and the 461 is a great saw. Maybe with a light weight shorter bar it would be a potent saw.
I really like my souped up 365 with a good sharp 24" chain for day to day use now.
Getting older I guess.

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2017, 09:54:47 pm »
I have a MS660

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2017, 10:01:29 pm »
I have a MS660 with a 32"bar skip chain for my stump grinding business,also have a MS261 with a 16"bar for firewood very good combo,also run a 20" bar on the 660,it's a animal with the small bar. It's like running a late 60's Hemi Cuda, balls that won't quit!

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2017, 12:30:00 pm »
Good choice on the 661. I'm a strong athletic 5'11" 200 lb guy myself and have owned. 066 since 95'. I'm 45 now and I can tell you that the 66 feels heavy after a couple hours. I picked up a couple 461's in the last couple of years in hopes that a lighter saw would be easier on me.
My thoughts are that I didn't even notice that it was a pound or two lighter than my 66 but I did notice it didn't have near the torque of the big saw. I run 32" skip chisel on both saws and the 461 is a great saw. Maybe with a light weight shorter bar it would be a potent saw.
I really like my souped up 365 with a good sharp 24" chain for day to day use now.
Getting older I guess.

Try a 25--28" inch barnon the 461....I use a 25" mostly on mine, but I am always cutting hard wood....I love the 461, but I don't even think the standard oiler would enough to oil a 32"...

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2017, 04:32:00 pm »
Also run a 18"-20" b/c on that 661 when you don't need the 28". You'll thank me ;D
I just happened to see blsnelling's comment on Dr Cornwallis's 661 thread over on the other forum.
He says a 661 is way too heavy on a 20" b/c  :D

Another good example why he's better at wrenching then he is as an operator  ;D
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2017, 05:31:01 pm »
a 261  is all you need for a 20" bar  ::) but my 441 with the 20" on it is alot more fun ;D i can only imagine a 661 with a 20" bar on it  :o  but really hope no one has tried it on a 880 because that would just be wrong  :-\ sorta like pulling your lawnmower trailer with a semi :o :D :D :D
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2017, 06:38:15 pm »
a 261  is all you need for a 20" bar  ::) but my 441 with the 20" on it is alot more fun ;D i can only imagine a 661 with a 20" bar on it  :o  but really hope no one has tried it on a 880 because that would just be wrong  :-\ sorta like pulling your lawnmower trailer with a semi :o :D :D :D
sandsawmil14, actually the 880 is the 090AV's little brother and the 090 is rated from the factory for a 21 inch bar.
Also look at my 066 owner manual's spec....16 inch
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2017, 06:46:29 pm »
i bet it would be fun to run for a few minutes anyway but they are to heavy for me  :D  i put my little 441 down and get the old 029 out for topping an cutting up the tops for fire wood :D :D
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2017, 06:54:40 pm »
For years when I was hand logging I ran a 18" on all my saws including a Jonsereds 920, Stihl 064 . That was for felling, limbing and topping spruce and pine.
You got the power and the ergonomics for that kind of work, especially in frozen hard cutting wood.
That short b/c makes that big powerhesd alot lighter by the end of each day... 5 days a week.
Plus alot easier for handling limbing topping and brushing under growth.

Here's my 090 with a 17" .404, great for ripping posts.
 

  
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2017, 07:14:16 pm »
we had a 18" ( i think ) on one of the old 1050 homelites and a 20" on the other one  big saws didnt bother me then but i picked one of them up the other day to move it  and i sure would hate to go to the woods with one of them now  :D  i complain abut the new stuff all the time but i guess i have to admit it has helped us over all :)

most people want to run at least 6" more bar than they need anyway IMO i can cut 50" oak with a 25" bar with no problems other than finding a 50"oak left standing :-\ all the big timber is gone in our area other than shade trees and pasture trees :(
  run a 25" most of the time and a 28 some but it is all splitting logs for the mill i like a 20" for felling or cutting fire wood  i dont have to bend over to far and its not to many teeth to file  :)
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2017, 09:00:55 pm »
I haven't logged for a living for years but I still run a 18" on my main tree service saw.
Anything longer is just clumsy for me but I do have multiple saws up to 36" in my company saw stable.

My 12 year old daughter and I put this very short video together over a year ago.
This is the only one of two videos I have ever made. Plus it has been about 20 years since I last used this competition cold start bucking technique.
Here's my 562XP-18" with over 1500 hours on it, completely stock with only a muffler mod on it.
Out fitted with a brand new Stihl .325 23RS chain with a light touch up with a 3/16" file.
Could have went a bit quicker on the start as my daughter didn't give me alot of time :D and slow on the up cut start as I had the snagging work dogs on .
You can't beat the ergonomics of a 18" b/c.



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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2017, 09:18:08 pm »
looks like it done pretty good to me smiley_thumbsup    and i agree with you on the shorter bars i have 20 instead of 18 but its because its what came on the saw  ;) i do have a 18 on the 029 i think  but hand filing is another good reason to run the short bars :) i am good at it and fast as most but i hate it  ::) it makes my bad shoulder hurt >:( but i can file a 20" or less about as fast as i can change the chains so i just file  its easier to keep a file in your pocket than an extra chain  ;D and if you will keep it out of the dirt and touch it up every time you fuel up it only takes a minute ;D  and i will not run a dull saw >:( (maybe a little dull at the mill :-[ ) but not in the woods :)
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2017, 04:53:05 am »
I cut a lot of tops for fitewood...as anyone knows the woods can look like someone dumped out spaghetti sticks when they are done....well I got a 461, been a year or so ago now....I got the saw with a 25" bar....that 25" bar is a perfect setup, when you have the room to run it...

  Now when I am cutting in the a extremely tight places we're there are multiple logs tangled together and the hardwood is 18-20", I like to run a 20" bar on the 461....at first I thought maybe it would be too small for the saw, but 18-20" dry oak, hickory, ash, and some walnut is hard stuf....the 20" bar shines in the tangled areas.....the bar doesn't stick threw the woodand cut into limbs/other logs....

I treat these tangled messes with the upmost respect...I cut firewood alone, and it only takes a second to get pinched/smashed in these areas!!!

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2017, 07:24:29 am »
Smart Khntr85, a pile of wood is an excuse to get hurt.  Safety first!

I've thought about a 461 with an 18" bar actually.  Keep a 25" on standby for the occasional big tree.  However, a 461 still seems a bit heavy to me but then I'm built like a half starved chicken.

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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2017, 09:38:50 am »
I have run a 20" on my 660 a few times and keep a 20 on my 461 unless conditions demand longer.  Loading a big power unit with a short bar is no more complicated than keeping the chains sharp and the depth gauges set so you can use the power. I run 025 on smaller saws but when running a 20 on the big saws  I run 030 and could run deeper when cutting cookies for fun but they would be pretty dangerous in the woods.  You must of course keep your 3/8x72 driver chains separated for peewee saws and big irons if your going to play the depth gauge game.  As stated earlier when using the correct techniques a person can cut one heck of a big tree down with a 20" bar, a person doesnt need a 32" bar to cut down a 32" tree ;D 
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Re: STIHL MS 461 or 661 CM?
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2017, 12:04:37 pm »
Smart Khntr85, a pile of wood is an excuse to get hurt.  Safety first!

I've thought about a 461 with an 18" bar actually.  Keep a 25" on standby for the occasional big tree.  However, a 461 still seems a bit heavy to me but then I'm built like a half starved chicken.

LOL, you got me laughing there lol....it does have a little wieght, and when you are in brush and trip hazards, the 20" bar really shines for me!!!

How long have you had your 461, and how do you like her??