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Started by LeeB, April 10, 2017, 08:28:09 AM

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LeeB

Got a question for you surveyors out there. I need to put in some fence around my property. It has already been surveyed some time back before I bought it and the pins are in place but the place id pretty densely vegetated and up and down. Hiring a surveyor to shoot the lines for me is going to be a costly enterprise. I'm thinking seriously of buying a used theodolite and doing it myself. Any suggestions on what to buy? Will a Leica T3000 do what I need? Any suggestions? I don't want something to keep forever, only to do what I neeed done and then I'll resell it but also don't want to have to cash in the retirement fund to buy one. I tried pacing it off with a compass and 2 of the lines worked out ok like that because there was enough old fence line and other markers that I could stay on line but the back side of the place is a whole other story.
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DelawhereJoe

Talking about shooting a fence line would a rifle scope and a tripod work for you, just add a rifle to the bottom of it and take out some coyotes while your at it.
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Joe Hillmann

How far apart are the markers?

LeeB

Quarter sections for the most part. One set is a half section.
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pineywoods

Lee, I have had pretty good results using a good hand-held gps if the lines are mostly n-s or e-w.Not as good as a new survey, but close enough in most cases.. I don't have the hills and hollers you do, but lots of impenetrable briar patches and thickets. Document the gps co-ordinates and transfer them to google earth, comes in handy...
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LeeB

Quote from: DelawhereJoe on April 10, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
Talking about shooting a fence line would a rifle scope and a tripod work for you, just add a rifle to the bottom of it and take out some coyotes while your at it.

I have thought of that but don't know how I would line it up.
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

Raider Bill

Quote from: pineywoods on April 10, 2017, 11:08:43 AM
Lee, I have had pretty good results using a good hand-held gps if the lines are mostly n-s or e-w.Not as good as a new survey, but close enough in most cases.. I don't have the hills and hollers you do, but lots of impenetrable briar patches and thickets. Document the gps co-ordinates and transfer them to google earth, comes in handy...

This is what I did. Worked real well found some old pins although I didn't transfer anything to google.
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LeeB

Need to buy one and learn how to use it. The one I have is an old Garmin and I never have learned to use it. It's 15 y.o. at least.
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sandhills

Lee, is the vegetation too thick to string a wire out over the hills?  I've went by that a lot of times but only had hills in my way, stand at the highest spot and eyeball it down the wire each direction, or put something tall on the hill to go from, then move to the next hill.  I wasn't going through trees or anything though, seems I always have one or the other  ::).

TKehl

Is the issue how much to clear on either side for your fence?  I like to clear 10' either side so I can brushhog sprouts as much as possible.  A little extra wouldn't hurt in case I'm off a bit.  Then run one wire and stretch it to see if any adjustments are needed.

I've also taken about 20' of PVC pipe painted orange or pink and strapped that to an old corner post (good line post or tree near good line post) to help get sighted over hills.  At least keeps me in the ballpark.  A ballon or two doesn't hurt either.

If too steep for a tractor, I've got nothing.  We have some good hills, but the only sections I can't take a tractor are short.
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LeeB

I can get a 4 wheeler into some of it but is mostly too thick and in parts it's too steep. Lindy says I need to come off the cash and just call the surveyor out and get it done right and legal. Mamma speaks.....
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

Raider Bill

Quote from: LeeB on April 10, 2017, 11:17:34 AM
Need to buy one and learn how to use it. The one I have is an old Garmin and I never have learned to use it. It's 15 y.o. at least.

Luckily, A friend had a nice one and knew how to use it!

How many acres? What's a survey cost?
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Texas Ranger

We have 80 acres south of Marshall that we have the same problem, sort of.  We have one new survey line and an old survey on neighbors land.  We are considering having a finished survey to sell the property.  The land is to tough for this old forester.
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Corley5

  If the corners are established and registered and all a surveyor has to do is shoot in straight lines that shouldn't be too bad.  Establishing lost corners is expensive.  We've worked with a local surveyor on a couple occasions clearing the line for him so he could shoot it.  That saved $$$.
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LeeB

$4250 to blaze and flag fence lines and file a new plat. Less than I thought but still a big chunk.  It's 179 acres and oddball shaped.

TR, I've used these guys before and they are very good and professional. They are from Marshal. Want their contact info?
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

dgdrls

Listen to Mama, get the surveyor who did the work
and another local to give you a cost, ask for inter-visible points on line,

Have the lines "greened-up" yet?  if not go fast or wait until winter again

And yes a T-3000 would be helpful, however no on-board distance measurement system.

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Texas Ranger

LeeB have talked with the guy from Marshall, he is on here, some.   They reran the line on the west end to correct errors, just not sure we can afford to make that move.
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chevytaHOE5674

I just had a 1/2 mile in an L shape staked and ribboned between 2 known corners and one that needed to be located. 75% was through dense woods, the other 25% was overgrown field; he put stakes every ~300 feet, steel pin on the located corner, new caps on the other "old" steel pins, made me a nice map, and registered at the county clerks office. The grand total was 300 bucks. He did 3/4 of a mile of the same situation 2 years back for 500 bucks.

clearcut

There is a iOS app called Theodolite that might work. $6 should not impact the retirement fund too heavy. I shot a few lines witn it, and it worked well. It may meet your needs. There are a couple of similar free apps. I mounted my phone to a tripod.

There is a free Android app called Dioptra that claims to do the same.
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LeeB

Thanks clearcut. I'll have to check that out. I'll likely still go with the professional survey but the app will be interesting. How does it actually allow you to shoot a line?
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

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LeeB

But, but, but....... There's MONSTERS out at night.  :D Don't know that I want to try traipsing 2 1/2 mile through the woods at night trying to mark out a fence line. Would be a good idea for open and flat terrain though.
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

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   Monsters, smontsters... You've got the laser to protect yourself if old Sasquatch gets after you distract him like a big old housekitty. :D

(I will admit you probably have more dangerous snakes out there than in PA.)
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Obviously you sir have not watched the beef jerky commercials on tv.  :D
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

LeeB

Quote from: clearcut on April 10, 2017, 11:21:09 PM
There is a iOS app called Theodolite that might work. $6 should not impact the retirement fund too heavy. I shot a few lines witn it, and it worked well. It may meet your needs. There are a couple of similar free apps. I mounted my phone to a tripod.

There is a free Android app called Dioptra that claims to do the same.

Does this app require cell reception to work? May not do me any good if it does.
'98 LT40HDD/Lombardini, Case 580L, Cat D4C, JD 3032 tractor, JD 5410 tractor, Husky 346, 372 and 562XP's. Stihl MS180 and MS361, 1998 and 2006 3/4 Ton 5.9 Cummins 4x4's, 1989 Dodge D100 w/ 318, and a 1966 Chevy C60 w/ dump bed.

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