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Shooting a fence line
« on: April 10, 2017, 08:28:09 am »
Got a question for you surveyors out there. I need to put in some fence around my property. It has already been surveyed some time back before I bought it and the pins are in place but the place id pretty densely vegetated and up and down. Hiring a surveyor to shoot the lines for me is going to be a costly enterprise. I'm thinking seriously of buying a used theodolite and doing it myself. Any suggestions on what to buy? Will a Leica T3000 do what I need? Any suggestions? I don't want something to keep forever, only to do what I neeed done and then I'll resell it but also don't want to have to cash in the retirement fund to buy one. I tried pacing it off with a compass and 2 of the lines worked out ok like that because there was enough old fence line and other markers that I could stay on line but the back side of the place is a whole other story.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2017, 10:52:45 am »
Talking about shooting a fence line would a rifle scope and a tripod work for you, just add a rifle to the bottom of it and take out some coyotes while your at it.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2017, 10:53:50 am »
How far apart are the markers?

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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2017, 11:00:38 am »
Quarter sections for the most part. One set is a half section.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2017, 11:08:43 am »
Lee, I have had pretty good results using a good hand-held gps if the lines are mostly n-s or e-w.Not as good as a new survey, but close enough in most cases.. I don't have the hills and hollers you do, but lots of impenetrable briar patches and thickets. Document the gps co-ordinates and transfer them to google earth, comes in handy...
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2017, 11:10:10 am »
Talking about shooting a fence line would a rifle scope and a tripod work for you, just add a rifle to the bottom of it and take out some coyotes while your at it.

I have thought of that but don't know how I would line it up.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2017, 11:13:12 am »
Lee, I have had pretty good results using a good hand-held gps if the lines are mostly n-s or e-w.Not as good as a new survey, but close enough in most cases.. I don't have the hills and hollers you do, but lots of impenetrable briar patches and thickets. Document the gps co-ordinates and transfer them to google earth, comes in handy...

This is what I did. Worked real well found some old pins although I didn't transfer anything to google.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2017, 11:17:34 am »
Need to buy one and learn how to use it. The one I have is an old Garmin and I never have learned to use it. It's 15 y.o. at least.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2017, 11:29:50 am »
Lee, is the vegetation too thick to string a wire out over the hills?  I've went by that a lot of times but only had hills in my way, stand at the highest spot and eyeball it down the wire each direction, or put something tall on the hill to go from, then move to the next hill.  I wasn't going through trees or anything though, seems I always have one or the other  ::).

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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 11:43:35 am »
Is the issue how much to clear on either side for your fence?  I like to clear 10' either side so I can brushhog sprouts as much as possible.  A little extra wouldn't hurt in case I'm off a bit.  Then run one wire and stretch it to see if any adjustments are needed.

I've also taken about 20' of PVC pipe painted orange or pink and strapped that to an old corner post (good line post or tree near good line post) to help get sighted over hills.  At least keeps me in the ballpark.  A ballon or two doesn't hurt either.

If too steep for a tractor, I've got nothing.  We have some good hills, but the only sections I can't take a tractor are short.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2017, 11:50:20 am »
I can get a 4 wheeler into some of it but is mostly too thick and in parts it's too steep. Lindy says I need to come off the cash and just call the surveyor out and get it done right and legal. Mamma speaks.....
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 02:28:09 pm »
Need to buy one and learn how to use it. The one I have is an old Garmin and I never have learned to use it. It's 15 y.o. at least.

Luckily, A friend had a nice one and knew how to use it!

How many acres? What's a survey cost?
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2017, 03:46:36 pm »
We have 80 acres south of Marshall that we have the same problem, sort of.  We have one new survey line and an old survey on neighbors land.  We are considering having a finished survey to sell the property.  The land is to tough for this old forester.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2017, 04:33:56 pm »
  If the corners are established and registered and all a surveyor has to do is shoot in straight lines that shouldn't be too bad.  Establishing lost corners is expensive.  We've worked with a local surveyor on a couple occasions clearing the line for him so he could shoot it.  That saved $$$.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2017, 09:29:01 pm »
$4250 to blaze and flag fence lines and file a new plat. Less than I thought but still a big chunk.  It's 179 acres and oddball shaped.

TR, I've used these guys before and they are very good and professional. They are from Marshal. Want their contact info?
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 09:38:52 pm »
Listen to Mama, get the surveyor who did the work
and another local to give you a cost, ask for inter-visible points on line,

Have the lines "greened-up" yet?  if not go fast or wait until winter again

And yes a T-3000 would be helpful, however no on-board distance measurement system.

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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2017, 10:32:06 pm »
LeeB have talked with the guy from Marshall, he is on here, some.   They reran the line on the west end to correct errors, just not sure we can afford to make that move.
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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2017, 10:41:52 pm »
I just had a 1/2 mile in an L shape staked and ribboned between 2 known corners and one that needed to be located. 75% was through dense woods, the other 25% was overgrown field; he put stakes every ~300 feet, steel pin on the located corner, new caps on the other "old" steel pins, made me a nice map, and registered at the county clerks office. The grand total was 300 bucks. He did 3/4 of a mile of the same situation 2 years back for 500 bucks.

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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2017, 11:21:09 pm »
There is a iOS app called Theodolite that might work. $6 should not impact the retirement fund too heavy. I shot a few lines witn it, and it worked well. It may meet your needs. There are a couple of similar free apps. I mounted my phone to a tripod.

There is a free Android app called Dioptra that claims to do the same.

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Re: Shooting a fence line
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 03:14:47 am »
Thanks clearcut. I'll have to check that out. I'll likely still go with the professional survey but the app will be interesting. How does it actually allow you to shoot a line?
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