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Author Topic: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.  (Read 8188 times)

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Offline dwchaisson

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2017, 09:51:56 am »
I sure wish it was as dry in the west end of the island as it is where you are stephen, you can barely get off paved roads here, nice looking equipment!
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2017, 06:56:52 am »
   Thanks DW ,  on the plus side there are lots of great folks west of the   "cattail curtain"  .   Planted trees in Enmore 36 years ago. Would have to check outback , but I believe the boots i wore are still wet.    :D
    Mr cfarm I find the different lengths very handy as well. Biggest problem after twitching with a skidder for so long is mussel memory. Grabbin for levers that are no longer there. Odd sensation   :-\   the nice wood helps big time.

 

 

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2017, 08:54:13 am »
Nice setup

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2017, 10:14:20 am »
Always enjoy your post, and your pictures Stephen Alford.  Keep up the good fight and enjoy!
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2017, 01:52:01 pm »
 I keep 2-3'ers 2-4'ers an a 5'& 7' er it is so hard to remember I not young any more. Used to be you worked 24 hrs a day to pay payments now you work 24 hrs to stay alive  :D .
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2017, 09:48:29 pm »
   Well so far so good. Landowner showed up this am..looked around ...then brought over hot coffee and fresh out of the oven chocolate chip cookies...always a good sign. The priorities are to generate a little revenue and have walking trails.  Not sure if this would be considered a typical second thinning.  This is my first so not quite sure what typical would be exactly. There does seem to be a demand for walking trails.
   Just a couple of observations for what there worth.   :-\    Have switched back to the leather stilh work boots. The reduction from a 11.5 rubber boot with liner to a 10 leather makes quite a difference in weight and reduces tripping when dealing with the slash.  Slash is rolled not drug. Switched to a more aggressive file because of cutting low stumps for the tractor. Will use up more chain quicker but hate a dull saw.
    One problem I used to have was with a tree that would get locked behind a stump. The fairlead has put an end to that.

 

  

 

   Here are a couple pics of the tractor working in the stand.

   

  

 

   Really surprised that the canopy did not close tighter in the 26 years since the thinning.

 

 


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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 06:02:16 am »
That looks like a good piece of land. Looks like you can go anywheres there.
My land is a challenge to do that. Big rocks and knolls and uneven places,makes it hard to just go through the woods. Trails are marked and remarked and sometime remarked again.   ;D
I only have a few places that is all hardwood like that. Mine is a mix of soft and hardwood.
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 06:14:15 am »
 I too am envious of the apparent easy going,terrain wise.Stephen that winch and fairlead is a very nice piece of work.
 What model is that beast of a tractor?You have it tricked out super!
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 10:25:13 pm »
   Mr cfarm do you have any more pics of your tractor operation and skid trails  ?  Really enjoy seeing how other folks deal with woodlot issues. 

   Mr 47 sawdust it is a ford 5610 (65hp). This is a pic from the cab.


 
   The winch has a mechanical lock. This takes the strain of the hydraulics when twitching. The trick is not to twitch to tight. You have to be able to take the strain of to release it and then unhook the chokers.
 

 

The problem I had with the wood clam was the wood needs to be on the ground. In a thinning trees are laid into the adjacent crowns.
 

 

When it goes right the tree remains on the stump. One thing I did not expect was all the sucker growth at  the base of the trees left from the last thinning. On the plus side they serve to protect the trees  to be left. Once by with the twitch they are cut.
 

  

 

   

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 06:42:26 am »
No pictures as yet. Some of my wet holes I fill with rocks,and I do mean fill. I keep talking about the bog crossing. Now there are some rocks in that adventure.  ;D  This is my land,so any improvement I get to use for years. I fill the wet holes or uneven places with rocks. I go in with a bucket of rocks and come out with a twitch of wood. I have a nice wood road,gravel,I can't twitch logs on that. I've been looking at a twitch trail beside that one. I have one wet hole to go through. A spring runs there all the time. Deer come there for water in the winter time. Looks like rocks will be in use there. Than that feeds a wet spot that is about 500 feet long. I kinda have to go through there. So another adventure.
I mostly cut dead stuff or real bad looking trees. I have a OWB,so that is a great way to get rid of dead wood.
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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2017, 07:38:24 am »
   Look forward to your pics Mr Cfarm.  Not to get into the "onanon" loop but did want to mention the pintle setup has worked great. Removing the  hook so the butt plate can be flat while the winch is being used is the way to go. The  125'  of   5/16'   mainline has been a dream to drag.   The fairlead as optional  is a plus.  Well its time to scoot ..stay safe

 

 
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2017, 10:45:27 am »
    As this is a  "thread in progress" wanted to mention the changes as they occur.  Made a spot for the items used most frequently.  At first drilled some holes by the vise on the exterior of the tractor. The files would drop out of the handles with the jarring. Not to mention rust up over night. mounted them inside were they are easy to reach and handy.

 

 

  Did not incorporate rollers with the fairlead because winching at an angle is simply not a good idea.  Did bend and install a piece of roundbar over the fairlead thinking it would help keep the cable in the fairlead. That did not workout.  Had to remove it. The winch seems way faster than the the can car .   The payload is way less of course ,just part of the learning curve .   The self releasing  snatchblock seems to be the ticket.

 

 

   On the production end of things the harvesting of the wood is taking quite a bit longer.  The nice part however is the processing of this kind of wood is much faster.  The customers are really pleased. The question of getting the price up a bit remains to be seen.  Stalling on that till I get all the kinks worked out.    :)

 

 

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2017, 11:29:37 am »
Like the use of the snatch block!

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2017, 06:37:24 pm »
    Having a rain day so thought adding a couple pics to update this thread would be the thing to do.  The stubbier the machine profile the better when it comes to working in a stand like this. The narrow blade on the winch has worked well to move slash between the stumps in the uneven terrain.  The sugar maple has done well. there is a bit of stump rot in the red maple where stems were removed. Over the years most of the damage has come from winds out of the south. Meetings with the farmers have gone well so at least the access issues are gone.

 

  

  

  

 

  For the first time in 50 years switching to a stihl saw. Nice to see the trillium a sign of spring and hope.   :)

 

 

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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2017, 09:13:47 pm »
 
For the first time in 50 years switching to a stihl saw.

Now that's something we need to know why.  Can't be the saw, must be the dealer support.  :) :)

Glad that winch is working out for you.
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2017, 06:00:09 am »
Yes,the trilliums are out here too. My Father called them painted trilliums.There use to be a lot of them coming down the hill,before the bog.
Must have some straight trails to haul out that long.
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2017, 03:47:34 pm »
Love your setup.  I am doing very similar work in middle tennessee with a 6way dozer on 20" swamp pads, which are ideal for this constantly soft clay terrain. Skidders trash the ground here, bobcats cant go more than a few passes over same spot unless they run tracks.  Dozers are slow and clunky but my work is transforming tangled overgrown rubbish clumps into trails and deer feeder ponds, food plots, animal pens etc.  A skidder wouldnt do and there isnt enough timber to make fast production important.

I skid out backwards with logs tackled off the 6way blade.  Sounds bad but not really.
The challenging work is getting to the tree which i like to be facing forward.  Backing out of a half made trail built on the way in isnt terrible and the blades lift and articulation is excellent for weaving logs around other stumps and stems.  typically short skids in a 5 or 10 acre lots.  I am constantly selecting a buried baby hickory out of a big clump of timber and leaving just that one tree untouched.

   I really like making beautiful land features, trying to blend landscape with farming hunting, drainage and forestry all at the same time.


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Re: Heading in a new direction..more like a circle.
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2017, 06:47:25 am »
   Well Mr. lopet  Huskey quit making the 359 which is what I have been using for a bit. They quit on me so time for a change.

 

 

Mike would you be able to post some pics ??

  I try to pick the best route for the skid trail. Bumper trees make a difference. Finding yourself on the right side of the barb wire goes a long way to getting along with neighbors.  Ya just never know what ya will find in da woods.   :D :D

  

  

  

 

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« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2017, 08:42:29 am »
When Ray comes for his rock make sure there is a box of grits to go with it. ;D
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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2017, 02:36:43 pm »
Quite the floor of Husky...from donor to donor to donor to donor.  You can see what gives out  :D