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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #140 on: April 10, 2017, 06:42:59 am »
If they did that the sawdust would be dumped on the loader arms and the on-deck logs.
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #141 on: April 10, 2017, 01:25:44 pm »
That plus everything else also would be wrong.  To saw against the side supports which is "normal", they would have to be moved to the other side so now the clamp is wrong.  Oops, now you are loading against the log clamp instead of the side supports, so lets move the log deck to the other side so that you can now trip over that as you saw.  Gotta also reverse the engine so that it is turning backwards.   :o

On second thought, I would much rather deal with the sawdust, which is what I already do.   :)
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #142 on: April 10, 2017, 02:01:33 pm »
and on the LT-35 I got to run it was nice to have the sawdust to walk on. I even shoveled some back to the operators area to smooth out that area.  :)
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #143 on: April 10, 2017, 04:41:31 pm »
That plus everything else also would be wrong.  To saw against the side supports which is "normal", they would have to be moved to the other side so now the clamp is wrong.  Oops, now you are loading against the log clamp instead of the side supports, so lets move the log deck to the other side so that you can now trip over that as you saw.  Gotta also reverse the engine so that it is turning backwards.   :o

On second thought, I would much rather deal with the sawdust, which is what I already do.   :)
Well, the "easy" solution would be to just have remote controls so you don't even have to walk.  Second best, add a seat on the loader side of the head and put the controls there.  You would be riding above the loader and not getting in the sawdust.  You've got a 4 post mill there so no issue with the weight of the rider (like maybe it would be on a cantilever head?).
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #144 on: April 10, 2017, 05:52:39 pm »
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #145 on: April 13, 2017, 11:29:11 am »
I sit corrected, just watched YouTube video of LX450 with a new design debarker on it.  Shows how much I know. 
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #146 on: April 13, 2017, 12:39:00 pm »
I sit corrected, just watched YouTube video of LX450 with a new design debarker on it.  Shows how much I know.


Looks like they put on the dragback steering fingers too.  And an electric motor.  Getting warmer WM!
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #147 on: April 15, 2017, 10:06:02 pm »
Had one in Maine,
 

 
Some pics.
 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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Maybe a thing to hold the guide fingers.
 

 

And spent some time with Mr Bouchard  ;D
 

  
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #148 on: April 15, 2017, 11:36:58 pm »
I love it, think it's great.  Thanks for all the close up pics Pete, the WM site leaves more to be desired.  I think with a RA, D55, and conveyor outfeed it would be a great little mill
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2017, 11:41:39 pm »
Thanks, Peter. Those pictures are great!

I see lots of familiar parts along with some new ideas.


... Maybe a thing to hold the guide fingers ...


I think that long pin might be to hold up the dragback fingers (notice the holes in them -- right size and right position.
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2017, 01:26:02 am »
Perhaps the rod is to pin the fingers in a up position during travel so they don't swing back and forth
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2017, 07:20:50 am »
WM does a super job of custom fit and finish. Not sure how the rollers raise? A motor and chain?

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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2017, 08:30:37 pm »
Well, I finally got to see the new LX450 up close and personal. I went to the Woodmizer open house / training event in PDX over the weekend. Frankly for me the marketing seminar and training was a waste of $$$. And if you advertise a $40 fee for those that sign up online, you should charge that, rather than the $50 you charged at the door... Apparently the $40 fee required prepayment, yet there was no way to prepay online. I'll just make sure they take $50 off my next mill purchase and I'll be happy.

On the plus side, they had the entire range of mills available. This was great, sicne it allowed me to grab a tape and see how big a log I could really stuff through the mill. I bought my LT35HYD because it suited my needs at the time and after running manual mills, I wanted the hydraulic log handling. After running it for a while, it was obvious that I needed to be able to handle larger logs. I was planning on upgrading last year, but got sidelined when I went into Hepatic /Renal failure and spent 6 months in and out of the hospital, ultimately ending up with a dual transplant. Liver and Kidney ver 2.0 are doing fine, and now there are more options on the table, and it's time to upgrade.

The biggest drawback to me is the size of the logs I have available to me. My LT35 is ideal for 18 - 24" logs. Squeezing 40"+ logs is possible, but I spend a lot of time whittling the sucker down to where I can work with it. The stated capacity of the mill isn't as advertised either. I can only cut 23" between the blade guides on my machine, and then only a 4" slab or so before the diagonal brace gets in the way.

My plan was to upgrade to an LT40 to get a bit more room. Now with the LT40 wide version, I'd never consider the standard version. The extra 6" is really nice. Interestingly, the LT40,50, and 70 wide all have the same drawbacks. They are limited in cut width by the distance between the blade guides, and the throat. If you add the board dragback option you lose 2 1/2" under the throat. The LX450 has the most space available of all the machines I looked at if I want to cut a big cant. It can easily cut 34" widths (measured between the blade guides), which is an inch more than I measured on all the other models. It can fit 17" under the throat, and they mounted the dragback arms in front of the frame, so if you pin them up, you don't lose any available room.

I often lower my back stops and hang the log past them, balanced on the log turner and clamp to gain a wee bit of extra cutting room. This trick works on all the machines I saw, but the cantilever design definitely lets you hang an oddball shaped log off the side. Still, I think the LX450 would handle the largest log of any of the mills that I looked at. The real limit is what will clear the frame, which means I could stuff a log 51" tall x 45" wide through this mill before having to resort to whittling it down with a chainsaw. I'm sold.... I know what I want now.

If I wanted a portable mill, I'd stick with a cantilever design. Since my needs are more of a stationary mill, the LX450 fits the bill. I plan to order one up as soon as the debarker and diesel option are available. I can build my own rail extensions, in fact it's much easier with this mill than a cantilever design.

So what's a lightly used (under 100 hours) LT35 hyd worth with a debarker, extra backstops, spare gas tanks, and a couple dozen blades...?
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #153 on: April 24, 2017, 09:01:30 pm »
Do you get many oval shaped logs? The log diameter capacity of the LT mills is not the width of the rollers, it is the diameter of log that will fit on the mill without a lot of hassle. I've sawn many 40" and bigger logs on my LT40 with alog capacity of 36", but it's better to quarter them with a chainsaw first if I'm not making a timber.
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« Reply #154 on: April 24, 2017, 10:38:34 pm »
Just reread this thread from the start and several times I noticed questions/comments about why the sawdust shoot was on the same side as the operator. Just so everyone knows, the sawdust shoot in relationship to the operator station is no different in the LX450 than it is in any other walk along control station from Wood-Mizer, LT15 right up through LT70. The sawdust blows out past the operator, in front of and to his/her left.  Never a problem unless the wind is wrong and if it did go the other way it would still be a problem if the wind was wrong.

Also, as there has always been, the two rail system vs monorail system has pluses and minuses either way. As a sawyer, we make our choice as to what best meets our needs. I commend Wood-Mizer for making a business decision that will ultimately meet the needs of more of us. 

That being said, the monorail system still does the best job of meeting my needs.
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #155 on: April 25, 2017, 06:19:13 am »
, the monorail system still does the best job of meeting my needs.



Keep  the mill you have, The new 450 don't cut much faster then the mill you have.
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Re: Wood-Mizer's new choice
« Reply #156 on: April 25, 2017, 10:23:11 am »
Peter, that is my plan. 
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« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2017, 03:06:05 am »
I'll go with the upgrade, since it cuts a wider slab than all the others, and I'm tired of farting around whittling down logs that are too big. The mill is also beefier for the big logs. Perfect for a stationary setup. Like I said, I'd prefer to keep the monorail if I was doing portable milling though.

I may have scored a huge log deck today. Just need to figure out how to break it down to get it home.
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« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2017, 01:56:00 pm »
........ the sawdust shoot in relationship to the operator station is no different in the LX450 than it is in any other walk along control station from Wood-Mizer, LT15 right up through LT70. The sawdust blows out past the operator, in front of and to his/her left.  Never a problem unless the wind is wrong and if it did go the other way it would still be a problem if the wind was wrong........

My original comment on the dust dumping right in front of the operator comes from the fact that where I live the wind is almost always blowing, and generally in your face or swirling around the mill....any distance you can get it away from you would help.  Unless I wear goggles I can barely see after a day of sawing.
Biggest issue of moving the operator station to the other side would be the loader arms....not too much of a problem when down but I'm guessing most leave them part way up to hold flitches for edging.

As stated....the remote control station is probably the best soluion.

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« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2017, 02:06:41 pm »
Yes, remote is the only way to get away from the dust, and wireless is the best of the remotes. The sawdust must blow away from the loading arms, and the operator must not walk on the loading arm side. That leaves the operator on the sawdust side. I leave my sawdust chute up on my 40, and it blows a long ways away from the mill, about 25 feet.
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