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Franklin 132 XL
« on: March 15, 2017, 09:19:46 pm »
I am a new member, I have been reading posts in this forum as a guest.
  I am shopping for a forwarder, for use in our 50 acre woodlot. We are planning a selective harvest in a year or so. There is a Franklin 132 XL at an equipment dealer, with a Detroit 453. The salesman told me it is "throwing oil", they suspect a bad cylinder or the turbo.  He offered a $5,000 discount for the engine problem.   I would appreciate any thoughts on which would be more likely.  I've read about piston and/or rod damage from ether abuse.   From reading posts in this forum, I gather the 453 is a simple tough economical workhorse, that is relatively easy to repair.The rest of the machine has been pressure washed, there aren't any obvious welding repairs.
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 03:05:48 am »
A search here for wet stacking, might help. Lots of information on causes.

Try and run the machine to see general condition aside from the engine.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 07:07:28 am »
Thanks for the reply, Neilo.  Good advice. I have read some posts mentioning 'Wet Stacking'.  I will call the salesman again today to set up a demonstration, and see if I can contact the previous owner.  I have a hunch someone at the dealership may have given it a dose of ether, with bad results. 

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 08:51:43 pm »
i don't buy the ether thing my dad used it for years i use it and at least 8 other people that are close family use it in there skidders and log trucks with Detroits never had any trouble   you don't want my 518 you would never start it with out it even at 80 it needs it i would think the blower or a bad injector  :-\

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2017, 10:52:14 pm »
i don't buy the ether thing my dad used it for years i use it and at least 8 other people that are close family use it in there skidders and log trucks with Detroits never had any trouble   you don't want my 518 you would never start it with out it even at 80 it needs it i would think the blower or a bad injector  :-\
You ever seen the ether "capsules" they used yrs ago ? It takes gobs of ether to hurt an engine, a little goes a long ways but I've used it for yrs and never smoked a piston or hurt something. Sometimes when it's that cold it's the only way to get a machine going because you've got 1-2 good cranks before your done. A 453 is pretty cheap to overhaul, you can buy a pulled one pretty reasonable also, less than 5k. If it's a running working engine that doesn't sound like a hand grenade your probably safe, how bad does it smoke ? Drip ? Alot of things to diagnose. I had to do an engine job on the 353 in my 230 shortly after buying it because the cam gear let go and smashed everything.
 Google "Hassinger Diesel in PA", or I can dig out the # for Swintons in Lake George NY, both of them do great Detroit work, you could dump yours on a pallet and get your rebuilt engine back, I know your out in the lake states but around here those are the only 2 I would use for getting a Detroit done.
 

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 04:26:47 am »
never seen them but my dad said they used them said they where 4x better than the ether today

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 06:58:52 am »
I'm headed out to look at the Franklin in an hour.  I talked to the previous owner, he mentioned that the 453 has a blower on it.   How do you check for seal leakage on the blower seals?  If I can access the engine oil drain plug, I'll pull that to check for coolant.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 10:56:14 am »
What are ether capsules?  How do you use them?
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 11:30:08 am »
ox you cant get them anymore they where little round balls if i remember right my dad said they where about the size of a moth ball or a little bigger they/you would put them in the air cleaner and they would suck in the intake just like ether i maybe a little off in my explanation so please don't scold me its been over 30years since he explained it to me

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 11:55:25 am »
 The blower box is right above the oil dip stick. It's bolted right to the side of the engine. Just look at the side's of the box and the breather tube. Before I had mine rebuilt there was a lot of oil coming out of the breather tube, plus out of all the gaskets  :D .
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 12:38:21 pm »
Ether pills they went in something that looked like a big oil cup with a sharpened tube sticking up . When you closed the lid it punctured the ball .
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 09:08:08 pm »
I looked at the forwarder today.  The pins show some slop in the bucket and arms, nothing you wouldn't expect from a 1978 machine. One of the gear racks for the loader rotation looks a little peaked, the other looks like new. The center pivot didn't seem sloppy at all.
The engine started after a little cranking, then shut down, after that, it took quite a lot of cranking before it finally kept running. There was quite a knock from the front of the engine before it warmed up, which I didn't notice later.  The exhaust had water spraying out before the engine was warm.  It had 40 pounds oil pressure at idle, 60 at full throttle. The engine did not miss at idle or full throttle. I stood in the smoke to get a smell,to see if I could smell coolant, but didn't smell any.  It had a full pipe of white smoke the whole time it was running, cold, warm, idle, or full throttle.  The engine oil was BLACK!  The oil wasn't milky.  There was smoke, (not a lot), coming out of the dipstick hole while the engine was running. blowby?)
I am pretty sure I will buy it, and start with draining the fuel tank and changing the fuel filters.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 10:32:47 am »
Thanks for the explanation, coxy and gearbox.  Usually I've at least heard of most things but not ether pills.  An internet search didn't give me anything either.  Were they fairly common once upon a time or was it only for certain machines, or?
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 10:52:07 am »
My 4-53 smoked white same as what you described, and when I had it rebuilt 2 piston rod's were bent. The mechanic said they got bent from getting water down the exhaust pipe. When you said water was blowing out when you started it, that brought back memories of mine keeping the bugs away 😁.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 11:48:06 am »
XMartin, Did you see the pictures of the one for sale on here? Just another idea.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 04:57:11 pm »
Ox I think they were full of surgical grade either .
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 07:11:01 am »
Thanks again for the replies!

Ed K,      The rods may be bent,  I don't know.  It seemed to run smooth once it started, it did have a knock when it first started, but I didn't notice it after that.

tacks Y,   No, I did not see the one for sale here on the forum.  Is there a "For Sale" section here?

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 07:32:56 am »
Yes there is a FOR Sale section, also a wanted area. You could save me a trip to Mi.

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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 07:40:07 am »
One way to find the For Sale section, and all the other sections too,
Should be above the banner that changes on the left,starts with Foresty Forum, Forum,Recent Unread Topics.    Click on to Foresty Forum and that will bring you to all the threads. Scroll down to find the For Sale section.
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Re: Franklin 132 XL
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 05:05:44 pm »
Again guys, thanks for the replies.
I found the forwarder in the for sale section, seems like a nice machine.  Only thing is, it is 380 miles away.  Hauling that far would be a bear.