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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2017, 09:00:17 am »
I suspect more people die from distracted driving than drunk driving.

Around here if you are texting and come into a bikers space there is a good chance you will lose your side view mirror.

A bit ago Sue Ann and I were riding to dinner. A driver who was texting turned left in front of us at a intersection. That was about as close as I've ever came to hitting another car while on the bike. I still have scuff marks on my right engine guard from the pavement. I was able to get around the back of her car and in doing so ended up facing oncoming traffic. We followed the driver to a convenience store for a "discussion" She couldn't have cared less. Had it been a man I would have smashed his face into the pavement. Had Sue Ann not been so rattled she would have smashed the woman's face into the pavement.

In a months time last year 5 Bikers were killed in this area due to distracted drivers.

So if that call or text are that important to you then you better make sure you don't harm me or mine.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2017, 09:26:32 am »

I might be getting out of line cause I think I already had one post deleted or maby I just forgot to post it.  I figure if it is a subject that comes up from one perspective that it doesn't hurt for the other side of the coin to at least be looked at.

Insinuation can make you just as wrong as texting and driving. In one I know you are wrong, nobody deleted anything. In the other, I can guarantee the genious that thought he could text and drive that hurt one of my family because of it, would then cause ME to intentionally break a law and probably several.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2017, 09:30:40 am »
gww,
Which side of this are you on anyway. It seems you say there are no such thing as accidents and then you talk about someone making mistakes. Mistakes cause accidents right ? I dont think anyone in his or her right mind would say they havnt made mistakes while driving, but as the times change and we have new ways to make mistakes we will get new laws governing driving.
My aunt and uncle were killed in a accident where a drunk trucker locked his tanker trailer brakes on slick road causing his trailer to slide sideways in the road at over 50 mph and hitting their car. She was killed instantly and he was badly injured, living for about a week before dying. There were no laws about driving drunk at the time, so the family had to take the trucker to court to be able to prove his fault in the accident.  If their had been laws about driving drunk ad legal limits set so that his impairment would have been measured at the scene of the accident would have saved my cousins a lot of agony.
If you want to make your mom proud,  call her when you get to the grocery store. Dont endanger someone elses life by driving distracted.

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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2017, 10:19:03 am »
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Insinuation can make you just as wrong as texting and driving. In one I know you are wrong, nobody deleted anything. In the other, I can guarantee the genious that thought he could text and drive that hurt one of my family because of it, would then cause ME to intentionally break a law and probably several.

It is good to know I was not so far out of line that I got my post deleted.  A lot of site's leave the posters name there and put delete so you know when it happened.  I have been on some bee sites and some solar sites and just so you know, I have not been deleted very many times and do not go around trying to stir trouble or get out of line.

I am guessing that I typed a bunch and did not hit post.  Believe it or not though, it is nice to know for sure and not be perinoid about it.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2017, 10:45:08 am »
Believe me, if you get deleted here, you are going to hear about it.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2017, 11:13:55 am »
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My last close insident on a bike, (an old 81 amf low rider) was my inatentiveness of not noticing a car stoping in front of me.  I had to go on the sholder of the road to keep from hitting him in the back.  Scared me for a little bit.  I still don't like Mo helmet law though and think that it should be my choice.

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I am not saying that you should not live up to your responcibility for your part in harm you have caused to others.  I am saying it is stupid to make laws that people are just not going to follow and that those people if they have caused no harm should not be looked down upon.  I am saying that the guy who is tired, or reading a map, or spilling his coffee and it caused harm that should not have happened is no differrent then a person that gets so distracted while being on his phone and that you can not legislate that stuff from happening.

I am also saying that I use my phone and every one I know uses their phone and sometimes I think if you guys feel it is an immportant enough thing you may use your phone and not pull off to the side of the road to do it.  You could probly look it up and find advocates that were trying to get radios taken out of cars due to the it making it easier for people to be distracted with them.  This is not something I dreamed but that I heard on national news.

I spent a lot of time in my life in a car.  I drove 60 miles to work (Mostly 6 days a week) for 30 years.  I lived a lot of my life in a car and have ate and used the phone and listened to the radio and was a productive part of sociaty.  Why would I want rules made against me.

Accidents.  I had a guy with his wife and kid in the car pull out in front of me in the rain.  He looked like he was looking at me right in the eyes and just pulled out and I don't know if he froze or just never even saw me but I hit him.  I did want his insurance to pay for my car, which it did.

Another time this really old man was doing a uturn and made his loop and ran right into the side of my car.  I mean he was going forward and going really slow and still ran into my car.

I got a ticket one time for runnig a stop sign.  I was driving in a new area.  There was no one on the road.  I had found I was going the wrong way and so had turned around and was coming back to the T in the road that I had turned right on insted of left and just ran that stop sign like it wasn't even there and truthfully I did not see it there cause my brain apparrently had a blip.  I like to stop and like to use my blinkers.  Stuff does happen wierdly even when trying to do right.

As far as something being a law or not and how bad I feel if breaking that law.

I built my saw mill and started logging on my brothers.  I didn't know I was going to get hooked and do alot or just a little.  My truck had 12000 lbs plates on it.  I put logs on that truck that overloaded those plates.  I eventually went and got bigger plates but did not feel bad about breaking the law before I got them.  Those logs now are being carryed on the exact equiptment now as they were before and the only differrance is now I don't need a front lisence plate on my truck due to the weight increase.

I am only in my fifties but figure that I am old enough to decide if it is important enough to call my daughter and ask which turn off I want to take when going to her new home with out pulling off the side of a busy interstate just to do that.  I can't see somebody being able to pull me over cause of that.  Why would I want them to make a law saying that is wrong?  Nobody is going to listen to that law anyway. 
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2017, 11:18:39 am »
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Believe me, if you get deleted here, you are going to hear about it.

If I go so far that you need to delete me, I want to hear about it. I might be dumb enough to not know with out being told :)

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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2017, 11:26:30 am »
If I delete YOU, you will find out when you try to access my website again. If your post gets deleted, odds are what ever admin did it will issue a system warning to you for that.

As for your most recent post, you have described exactly why there should be laws to help protect people like me from people that think like you.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2017, 11:40:05 am »
My phone has a drive mode. If someone sends me a text when I am moving, they get an auto reply that says this:

[Auto-Reply]  My phone is answering you because I am driving. Only mindless dweebs text and drive. I'll get back to you when I can.  Maybe.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2017, 11:53:48 am »
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As for your most recent post, you have described exactly why there should be laws to help protect people like me from people that think like you.

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My phone has a drive mode. If someone sends me a text when I am moving, they get an auto reply that says this:

[Auto-Reply]  My phone is answering you because I am driving. Only mindless dweebs text and drive. I'll get back to you when I can.  Maybe.

There for a second I thought it was the smiley I posted.

I just say this.  I have had the same insurance company since I was 16 years old.  I have a clear conscience to this point (never say never) that it has not been my insurance having to pay out any money due to my actions.  Perhaps you should have no fear of my abilities on the road.  I know I have caused no harm.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2017, 12:02:31 pm »
Thank God I wasn't in the intersection when you ran that stop sign. It would have been a crying shame for me to be the one to have ruined your perfect record.
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2017, 12:30:07 pm »
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You have never looked at directions that you have writen on a napkin or a map while you were moving?  I don't have a text plan and don't really know how to send one but I have been multi tasking lots of times while driving.  I do talk on the phone all the time while on the road.  If I ever mess up, yes it will be an accident because I haven't messed up yet and that time will be differrent for some reason.
 

No, I do not read maps or anything else while Iím driving.  I pull off to a safe place if I need to refer to directions or a map.  I totally understand that you can cover hundreds of feet at speed when you take your eyes off the road for only a few seconds.  I respect that my 5000 lb vehicle can be a weapon of mass destruction and has lethal force if I hit a pedestrian, bicyclist, or another vehicle.  If you ever ďmess upĒ it is not an ďaccidentĒ because you are deliberately exercising unsafe behavior and fully know that it can have deadly consequences--you just donít care.

I don't know one person who hasn't answered their phone while driving or called somebody.  Some try not to more then others but I do not know one that hasn't did it.

Now you do.  I never answer or talk on my phone while Iím driving.  I make calls before I leave.  No call is so important that it canít wait until I get home or to where Iím going when it is safe for me to talk without endangering the people around me.

Or eating a hamburger and driving a stick shift if you want to get right down to it.

You think driving a manual transmission is distracted driving?  Neither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle.  Itís exactly the oppositeóit makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.

Your logic is baffling to me.  It seems you are more concerned that rules of the road take away your "freedom" or might make you a ďcriminalĒ than understanding that driver safety and other peopleís lives actually matter.  Frankly, I donít know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving.  Iím now going to recuse myself before I say anything inappropriate.
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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2017, 12:57:54 pm »
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You have never looked at directions that you have writen on a napkin or a map while you were moving?  I don't have a text plan and don't really know how to send one but I have been multi tasking lots of times while driving.  I do talk on the phone all the time while on the road.  If I ever mess up, yes it will be an accident because I haven't messed up yet and that time will be differrent for some reason.
 

No, I do not read maps or anything else while Iím driving.  I pull off to a safe place if I need to refer to directions or a map.  I totally understand that you can cover hundreds of feet at speed when you take your eyes off the road for only a few seconds.  I respect that my 5000 lb vehicle can be a weapon of mass destruction and has lethal force if I hit a pedestrian, bicyclist, or another vehicle.  If you ever ďmess upĒ it is not an ďaccidentĒ because you are deliberately exercising unsafe behavior and fully know that it can have deadly consequences--you just donít care.

I don't know one person who hasn't answered their phone while driving or called somebody.  Some try not to more then others but I do not know one that hasn't did it.

Now you do.  I never answer or talk on my phone while Iím driving.  I make calls before I leave.  No call is so important that it canít wait until I get home or to where Iím going when it is safe for me to talk without endangering the people around me.

Or eating a hamburger and driving a stick shift if you want to get right down to it.

You think driving a manual transmission is distracted driving?  Neither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle.  Itís exactly the oppositeóit makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.

Your logic is baffling to me.  It seems you are more concerned that rules of the road take away your "freedom" or might make you a ďcriminalĒ than understanding that driver safety and other peopleís lives actually matter.  Frankly, I donít know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving.  Iím now going to recuse myself before I say anything inappropriate.

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Re: DO NOT TEXT AND DRIVE
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2017, 01:25:27 pm »
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Thank God I wasn't in the intersection when you ran that stop sign. It would have been a crying shame for me to be the one to have ruined your perfect record.

I am glad you were not at the intersection also.  That is why I stop 99.9 percent of the time and wish that I could say that I stoped 100 percent of the time never made a mistake.  That is how accidents happen at times that even people with the best intentions and practices can mess up some how.  It is the same thing as the guy who has used the table saw for 50 years and then messed up, it's not that he didn't know how to use it.  He just didn't know how to use it once.  I guess if he added up all the beutiful things he built over 50 year against the broken finger from a kick back, he would have to decide if the risk would have been worth the creation if he got a chance to do it again.

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Frankly, I donít know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving.

I agree one thousand percent with this and feel the same way.

Now to the rest of you post.  Good for you but I just wonder if a poll was taken and answered honestly buy everyone who participated in this thread of how many live by the standard that you have decided for yourself and promote as being correct?  I am not saying I know the answer that question but you guys do.  I am not saying that the question should be to the standard that I am recieving push back on but to the standard that brian has for hisself.

How many people religiously live by these standards below?

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No, I do not read maps or anything else while Iím driving.

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I never answer or talk on my phone while Iím driving.

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Neither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle.  Itís exactly the oppositeóit makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.

You guys know what you do and don't do. I don't know unless you tell me.

I know of the people I know that no one has that standard.  When we were young and gas was sometimes as low as $0.35, we used to live on the back roads and driving around was our intertainment.  We would spend a week in the car with lunches and driving the backroads looking for mushrooms.  I have always lived pretty far in the boonies and to get anywhere you had to pack a lunch and make a day of it.  Driving was intertainment but that didn't mean we didn't take it as a responcibility also. 

Maby it is where I live and the attitudes of that area, but I know no one that does not make life pretty decent for themselves and they are not out there killing people.

My experiances just say that most people I know use the car to get where they need to go and usually grab a lunch and eat, listen to the radio or answer the phone while they do it.

This is my truth based on my life.
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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2017, 02:00:54 pm »
I have just one quick comment . stay away from big trucks . The ones with the little satellite dish on top . They have the ability to be dispatched while on the go . You think cell phones are bad try typing while going down the roar at 65 MPH . See why I say stay away from trucks .
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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2017, 02:15:24 pm »
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Yes, alot of the gass companies and maby the ups and lots of delivery type buinesses are putting what they call Kanban sytems on everything that the employees have to enter data after every job and also look for the next job.  It makes it easy for the company to gain data on how long things take to do and lets them keep track of employees and the data lets them add work in areas where room is found.  I even saw a documetory where they had them on trash trucks to track the employees. At work they put them on forktrucks and also put little stations of radio feeds to that told when the truck went by so they could track what was being put in by the employee compared to what the auto feed back was saying.

They used to try and stop cell phone use at work but still wanted the employee to use it to call if they had a breakdown.  They claimed safety but since the supervisors lived by the phone to run the plant, their claims rang a little untrue.

I have seen people diciplined for using a phone and also diciplined for not using one because he didn't use it to call for a break down.

I may not be right in my views on things but got those views by living life.
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