Lookie what I found.

[Jeff]

I'll have to get it signed when the author gets back from having Pizza with Chet. :D

A Steal on Ebay. 8) I had a copied edition, but now I got the real thing.

Underwater Logging by John Cayford and Ronald E. Scott, a 1st edition, 1964 Cornell Maritime Press softback.

[WoodSmith]

Jeff,
Is the title self explainitory?
Is it a good read?

[Jeff]

Its a technical book. You want me to comment on whether its a good read or not when one of our admins wrote it?  Thats like trying to answer that "do I look fat in this" question. :D

I just won this auction tonight.

[UNCLEBUCK]

Good find Jeff. Wow Ron Scott , I am amazed at alot of people on here . I like the ebay forestry section alot .

[Tom]

Yep! You look fat in that to me! ;D
Ya need a grits diet.

[etat]

Cool find!  Especially considering one of the authors!

Awhile back I bought three full sized Adaze's, two with handles on Ebay for eight dollars and change.  I been using one of them to clean the brick ledge around my foundation so I could lay bricks.  

[Paschale]

Hey...that is nifty!  Just don't get word to that seller on eBay about this here forum, cuz if we get word of another one on here, there'll surely be a bidding war.  ;D I see how you waited to let us all in on this gem you uncovered Jeff AFTER you won the bid.   :D

Very Cool stuff!   8)

[DanG]

So will we be seeing the copied edition in the Commerce section, soon? ;D

Let's see, now.  You got a book that is on a subject of interest to you, and you know the author personally. Pretty DanG special, if you ask me. 8) 8) 8)

[WoodSmith]

CK,
What category do they list them type of woodworking tools under, or do you just type in adze, etc., I'm not real familiar with ebay?
Is it me or did I see Jeff's face turn red? ;D

[etat]

The best deals on Ebay are when someone doesn't know what they have, and list it in the wrong place. I learned this one time when Jeff was talking about Ebay.  I ran across these when I was looking for something, I don't remember what, and checked the sellers other items.  The one without the handle had a place chipped out on it.  Over half the tools in my shop came from Ebay. Paid, 8.50  Shipping on these items were ran the price up to 26.41..  I also use a bidsnipe program most every time.





As i said I been using em to clean around my foundation, and occasionally trenching. ;D

Gonna have to keep me an eye out for a copy of that book!

[SwampDonkey]

We have similar tools to your adze, it's a grub hoe (proper term is pulaski). Has another blade turned 90 degrees for cutting through roots. Was originally designed for fire fighting.

Pulaski Link

[etat]

Gonna show my ignorance here.  

Now I'm curious.  Are these grubbing hoes or adze's.  This question was sorta on my mind when I bought them but I bought them anyways.  I knew the use I would use for one of them, digging in heavy red dirt and busting mortar that dropped down on my brick ledge when I was laying the blocks. . One of em has a homemade handle.  Both the ones with the handles have different angles on the blade.  Neither is 90 degrees to the handle and they have just a bit of curve to them.. Also one of them the blade is squared up at the tip, the other the blade tip is rounded somewhat.  Those two takes a round handle that just seems to wedge in.   The one without the handle would take a square handle where it goes in.  It has a lot more curve on the blade than the other two.  I can see a mark on it but I haven't cleaned it up to see what it is.  I don't know if the two with handles have marks on them or not.  All were sharpened but not for a  long time.  I pretty much always had heard of a grubbin hoe cause I've got an old one that was my grandpa's.  It's lighter than these and with a squarer blade.  Until fairly recently I had never even heard of an adaze.  These will wind up hanging on my front porch along with two crosscut saws, some old horse bits, one old horse shoe, a old set of beam type cotton scales and weight, two old wash boards , a double set of logging single trees, a old cant hook, a set of old cotton cards, a old chest type hand drill, and other various old stuff as I manage to dig it out from where I've hid it over the years or collect it or beg borrow or steal it from kinfolks. I been forgin out  some square nails and hangers and hanging some of this stuff up as I've had time.

[DanG]

Charles, drawin' on my limited experience on such matters, I will opine that the one without a handle is an Adze. The other two are grubbing hoes.

Swampydonk, what you are calling a "Pulaski" is what we would call a mattock. That's gotta be about the handiest tool you could have around the ol' homestead.

[Tom]

Whether you can recognize an adz or grubbing hoe as different tools is made easier if you realize that the adz has a squared off head.  The hole that the handle sticks into is square or rectangular.  The handle is quite light and generally has curve to facilitate aiming the edge such that it can produce a flat surface.

The grubbing hoe is a heavier tool, uses a round handle and the hole in the head is round or oval.  Its heft is to facilitate the cutting of roots, heavy clays and turf roots.

An Adz is a fine instrument for "carving" wood..  A grubbing hoe is a heavy implement.used for heavy digging.

An old timber framer or carpenter would have a heart-attack if he saw you digging in the ground with an adz.  It would be the same to him as if you had used his straight razor to open a can of beans.

[Bruce_A]

Pulaski is actually lighter than a true mattock.  Square handle usually denotes adze,  lips on sides denote lip adze[ duh ].  Ship adze usually has spike on back to drive spikes in with .  Lots of them had the lips also. Common carpenter adze used to be referred to as foot adze in reference to what it usually ended up cutting on the inexperenced.  Using a true adze to hack dirt is SICK, sort of like laying a loaded rifle in a mud puddle. : :

[etat]

Good thing it was a hoe then huh!  :D

Thanks for helpin continue my education. I won't forget.

I havn't ever shaved with a straight razor, afraid I'd cut my own throat (I kinda do that sometimes anyways) but I've got an old one somewhere.

I bought this from Ebay for my wifes birthday back in September.  I'm pretty sure it's a telephone.  ???

[Tom]

Actually, Charles, I think it is a Carriage Light.  :D

[etat]

Point taken :D

I fount my straight razor.   I keep cuttin my own throat I'd just as well just to go ahead and shave with it.

[DanG]

Well, it youster be a telephone. Ain't so sure how it would fair in today's digital environment, though.

That old adze is too far gone to be useful for woodworking. Ya might as well use it for a grubbing hoe. :-/  The foot-adze was so named because of the way it was used. You would hold up the toe of your boot and make your strike below that, so the adze wouldn't bounce up into your shin. A well sharpened adze can make a cripple of you in a skinny second if you aren't careful. Some well-placed shoe leather will keep you up and around for a long time to come.

[Tom]

You're right DanG.  Modern telephones are very impersonal. The old ones had a real person on the other end.

I remember picking up the phone and the operator saying "number please".  

I was real Little, see, so I says, "I want to talk to Granddaddy".  

The operator would say, "Hi, Tommy, how are you doing this morning?"

"Fine, I don't remember his number"

"Just a minute".

"OK, thank you".

'ring-ring-ring

.......and like magic, Granddaddy's secretary would answer.  ;D   He was the County and Juvenile Judge, you see. .

[CHARLIE]

Yup Tom and our number was 403 and our cousin's number was 567R  (R stood for rural I reckon, cause back then they were out in the sticks).

Once the operators went on strike. I picked up the phone (I was little ya see) and a man said "Whaddayawant?" in a rather gruff voice. Scared the peewoddledosquat out of me.

[Tom]

The "R" meant that it was a Party Line, Charlie.

[CHARLIE]

That don't make since Tom.....Rural starts with "R" and Party starts with "P".  Could it be that all rural phones happened to be party lines?

[DanG]

I 'member when we lived on Washington street in Thomasville, Ga in the early '50s. Our number was 548J. I guess we musta been on a 16 party line. Ya had ta listen for the right sequence of rings to know if the call was your's.  You'd pick up the phone to make a call, and the operator would say, "Numbah puh-leeeze."  They had this trained way of pronouncing all the numbers, too. 5 was fah-eve, and 9 was nah-eeen, etc. Many, many years later, I worked with a lot of women who had been operators in the early days. They all still pronounced the numbers that way. :D

[Tom]

Yep! It means that they had a party line.  Different letters might've meant different things but I'll bet it had to do with the area.   They weren't Rural when they got the number.  It was assigned when Uncle Pete built their "new" house on Boston Avenue.  I remember Grandmomma talking about how they tried to get a private number and couldn't.

I remember that special talk, DanG.  

The Army tried to get us to talk like that too.  Five was Fi-yive so that it could be understood over the likes of a PRC-10 or PRC-8 while you were under fire.

[DanG]

Oops! Sorry Charlie. I didn't mean to be typin' while you was interruptin. :D :D ;D

Almost all rural lines were party lines in them days. Remember all those poles with the crossarms and glass insulators?  It took 2 of them big ol' wires to service one line. The only way they could provide service to everyone who could afford it, was to stack them on party lines. Even the ones that could afford a private line usually couldn't get one because of the limitations of the "open wire" circuitry.  The advent of encased "fine guage" cables, and dial service changed all that, but now that technology is archaic. I'm sitting out here, 10 miles from nowhere, connected to the internet at 48k, with a fiber optic terminal 1/2 mile away. I saw all the progress through these phases in my career as a phone man, and it still boggles my mind. ???

Of course, my mind ain't all that hard to boggle. :

[Tom]

And here I sit a half mile off of the hard-road and 12 miles from civilization in Thomas Swamp, typing on a Cable connection at God-only-knows-what baud across fiber when folks in town can't even get it.

......ain't having a strong willed, forceful, get-it-done wife nice once in a while? ;D :D

[etat]

 :

Good thing I haven't had time to hook er up yet cause it's a  fine how ya do just now finding out that I got stuck big time by buyin a telephone that won't work.   AND since I ain't hooked it up yet I just bet ye the warranty's done run out. And I was SO lookin forward to ringin up the operator just like String Bean  used ta do. ???

I can't for the life of me remember who it was who used to talk on one of them there telelphones on the grand ole opry.   :P

[SwampDonkey]

Heck, then I'll never get that ther fancy fandangled wiring in this here haus. I do well to get dialup at 27kbit/sec on a 56kbit modem. :

[breederman]

Since that phone is no good and ya gotta throw it out,what day is garbage day? I might be inclined to do some trash picking. :D
  we only got our privete line about ten years ago,so probably have to put up with dial-up for a long time yet.

[Haytrader]

ck,

Could it have been Minnie?

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Good this THIS thread hasn't strayed much from the original topic  : : ???  :D :D :D :D

  Who was it that wuz gonna straighten out and organize this place ???  Oh yeah, That there Va. Sawyer guy. : : GOOD LUCK  ;D :D :D :D :D :D

[etat]

Nope, i think VA is doing a FINE job!

I remember when I first got a computer, it ain't been that long ago.  Somehow I fount out that there wuz faster connections than a 56k modem.  I thought it had to do with what's in the computer didn't really know yet what a modem was, or ya had to have a different kind of phone line.  SO, I went right on down to Wallyworld, and then Circut City and made a real imbarressment of myself tryin to buy a quicker modem so the computer would work faster.  Worst part, or maybe the best part is they was real nice in helpin continue my education. :

Haytrader, I'm still pictring an old guy what used to talk on that telephone.  Pretty sure the guy I'm thinkin of weren't Minnie but now i got to thinkin.  I think her and Fla.  went to the same place to get their hats.

[OneWithWood]

You all with the dial-ups must have the patience of Job to be on here as much as you are.  Even with my faster-than-a-scalded-cat cable modem at home or the broadband here at work I spend a bunch of time browsing the forum and soaking up all the knowledge and fellowship.  DanG patient bunch of folks

[junkyard]

We got a 2party line about 25 years ago 10 years ago they let us have a private line. When it was a 10 party line it was common to pick up the phone nobody talking but an open line. Ask if anybody was there and the old lady next door would say she was talking with the woman across the road but she was either checking the cake in the oven or some other chore. They would talk a minute then the other would do something. but never hang up. Hard to order  parts when you can't get the phone. if you did get the phone one of them would want to know how long you intended to use it as they needed it now. Rant enough.
                         Junkyard

[junkyard]

Forgot to say we are with a small local phone  Company that only has about 2000 phones. All calls over ten miles are toll calls.16,000 baud max if it isn't raining or the wind blowing. Keeps the old commputer just as good as the modern ones.
                              Junkyard

[Murf]

Where our summer place is they have a small holdout private family run telephone company.

They use the alpha numeric number system too, but it is because it's easier to rember a word than a number, years ago all phione numbers were that way here.

My number is "Turner 5", they use the letters on the dial to make up the word. You just use the letters on the dial to spell it out.

Sure makes it easy to remember a number, now if I could just figger' out where I left the keys for the truck......

[DanG]

I don't really notice all that much difference in the dial-up I'm using now, and the T-1 connection I had at work. The real jam-ups are in the network. If you can look at your through-put, you'll see that you usually download at less than 15kbps.  It's like a chain with a weak link...it is only as fast as it's slowest, or busiest point.

[J_T]

Ck I got one them phones too . 8) Took it off the wall in the house I was raised in think our ring was two shorts and a long.That was Speck calling Sadie rember his plaid suits ???

[etat]

J_T, thank you, thank you, thank you.  I could picture him in my head, but just could not call up his name. I been tryin to remember all day long and that's a fact!  

[etat]

Got it down plain as day now!

Speck walks up to Porter,
Porter Says Well Speck Have you seen Sadie lately?
Speck says yep! I saw her last night,
Porter says hows she doing?
speck She`s doing good!
and you know What? I grabbed her around the waist, and started to kiss her!
And she she said, now speck!!!! you just stop right there,
If you kiss me on the mouth, I`m a gonna call the law!!!
Porter says well did ya kiss her?
Speck says yep!
Porter says well did she call the law???
Speck says Yep!, after I kissed her
She said Law, Law!!!!!!! ki ki ki ki ki ki

Speck Rodes, the Porter Wagner Show

[SwampDonkey]

A polaski is like an axe on one edge and grub-hoe on the other edge and sharpened like one. Where a mattock, was heavier for busting up the ground. My uncle called a mattock a grub-hoe. No tell'n him no different. Head-strong like a bull ya know. He learned it from his uncle that was 10 times head-strong along with the rip-swearin to go with it.  ;) :D :D :D

[SwampDonkey]

Is this a sandvick? For brushing I know that. I've used it to knock down salmon berry caines.

[iain]

I thought sandvick was the company name.
We're on 2.5 meg down now and .75 up, mostly runs at 2.56 not that i keep an eye on it ;)



  iain

[etat]

Looks to me like it is a cross between a bushblade and a ax.  

[SwampDonkey]

Ian:

I think your right, but we used to have tools for brushing in the deep salal vines that they called a sandvick and it was a thin,short, narrow blade attached at both ends by and arched mount. Wasn't very useful for heavy brushing as the blade would get knocked out and go flying. Hmm I'll check DEAKIN EQUIPMENT.

[edit] Deakin calls what I described here a brush axe

Click - 5th axe in list  [/edit]

[Tom]

That's what we call a Bush Ax.  The tool that is similar but has a wide, machete looking blade on the end of it we call a Brush Ax or Ditch Bank Ax.   Both are great tools for clearing. The leverage of the long handle makes them very efficient and it will surprise you how effortlessly you can take out a 3 inch sapling.

I prefer the Brush Ax because the thin blade cleaves better but sometimes you need the heft of a real ax and the Bush Ax comes closer to that.

[SwampDonkey]

Thanks guys