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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2017, 08:16:55 am »
it says: in summer 2017, which is now in Europe so should be already available or be within 1-2 month.
Wow!!  6 hp with 6 kilos weight!! that's impressive

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2017, 11:42:39 am »
I like how the 462 has a low profile 1 piece top cover from using a HD canister air filter mounted behind the carb not on top.
Looks like a large version of a MS261C.

This 72.2cc 13.2 lb. MS462C doesn't look to be a saw that's replacing the MS461, more for replacing the MS441C. As the 70.7 cc 441 is the exact same 14.6 lb weight of the 76.5cc 461 with less power.

This is exciting times in the industry as in a few weeks this August Husqvarna will be introducing their new 70cc 572XP in Europe. But from pictures I seen the 572 has a bloated high top cover and retains a primer bulb.

Just like the excitement back in 1988 when the Stihl 044AV was introduced to challenge the market leading Husqvarna 268XP ;D

 

 
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2017, 04:08:01 pm »
MS462C in action.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2017, 05:15:55 pm »
I want one!

Not because of that video though. I'll admit I don't recognize the wood he cut but it  didn't look very hard except for the non-impressive cutting speed. I think a more effective chain might have made for a more impressive demo!

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2017, 07:00:11 pm »
Talked to technical advisor at Stihl today and he knows nothing of a ms 462 being released in the USA.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2017, 07:24:21 pm »
I want one!

Not because of that video though. I'll admit I don't recognize the wood he cut but it  didn't look very hard except for the non-impressive cutting speed. I think a more effective chain might have made for a more impressive demo!
That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2017, 07:29:45 pm »
just get the 461, my dealer has them in stock and has no trouble getting other 461's , I got 461 Arctic's and I like them, handle bars sure are nice and warm


I tried getting a 461vw (arctic) and my dealer told me they were discontinued can't get them anymore!  You know where I can get one?
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2017, 10:32:45 am »
Im in Canada and we can still buy arctic saws , I also was told I could not get any more of them about a year ago but we got another shipment of them . They sure have the best heated handle bars in the 70 cc up saws class.  My 372 xpws handles donot get warm very good on cold days

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2017, 10:34:06 am »
I agree, that operator sure did not do that saw justice , a 362 would get that fast in good hands

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2017, 03:51:45 pm »
I can't wait for the 462 to be available in the US. I'll be getting one to accompany my 461R.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2017, 07:27:32 am »

That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D

No kidding, LOL.  Watching the "pros" at the Paul Bunyan Show I have often thought the same ???,,, or maybe we do it wrong ;)??
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2017, 09:54:40 am »

That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D

No kidding, LOL.  Watching the "pros" at the Paul Bunyan Show I have often thought the same ???,,, or maybe we do it wrong ;)??
The operator in that video was rocking the bar and chain up and down like crazy with the dogs.

When you crosscut efficiently you hold the saw level and let the sawchain do its work without changing different pressures and angles.
Keeping the dogs clear of the log takes practice. In the competitive field crosscutting cookies dogs are not on the saw.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2017, 10:51:26 am »
I took the spike off my 036 when it was brand new and installed a smooth block of aluminum in it's place. Came from the dealer and I'm purdy sure it was a Stihl part?  I think they called it a pulpwood bumper? Saves having to hold the saw back and works well except at the very top of the cut where you must hold the saw back.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2017, 01:13:58 pm »
Pretty well all 70 cc and under saws throughout history had an optional smooth bumper plate .
Biggest reason for them was for efficient limbing in conifer.
Of course felling and bucking in smaller diameter wood,  a professional operator would have his chain filed to the point where it was always self feeding.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2017, 03:05:51 pm »
Of course felling and bucking in smaller diameter wood,  a professional operator would have his chain filed to the point where it was always self feeding.
You mean independent of the mass of the saw?  How does one sharpen a chain to do that?  I know that when boring by keeping pressure on the bottom (return side) of the bar a saw will pretty much self feed, but how does that work when crosscutting?
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2017, 04:19:19 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2017, 05:34:23 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
I guess not.  Never had to hold a saw back but being a machinist by trade, my definition of self-feeding might be different.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2017, 06:24:35 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
I guess not.  Never had to hold a saw back but being a machinist by trade, my definition of self-feeding might be different.
???Machinist work is one thing.... experience maintaining a productive sawchain and working with it is another .

Let me explain and lets not put "holding back a saw" in the topic. Just letting a WOT saw rest on a log with its own weight will be self feeding and will then get out of control and stall.

Let's take a bar/chain cutting in the horizontal felling position as your test of self feeding with no help from felling dogs.

There is a fine balance in filing technique that will make a chainsaw cut with very little hand pressure in the felling position.
It's a balance between the right amount of cutter side plate angle, top plate angle , depth gauge setting and most importantly how sharp the cutting edges are.
Now don't forget throughout the filing life of a sawchain's cutters you can't rely on a standard one time setting, as for example the depth gauge clearance setting has to be progressive as the cutters get smaller.

When the cutters are new and the depth gauges are set at .025 that clearance can be too much with the ammount of side plate angle that is already in the chain right out of the factory. So there is some fine tuning needed for whatever tree species you are cutting.
Chain from the factory is ground at a average setting and angles for common use of whats it's used for.

So when your felling a tree with no over feeding or underfeeding you have a good balance.
But alot of balance can be derived from operator experience also.....
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2017, 07:24:15 pm »
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???Machinist work is one thing.... experience maintaining a productive sawchain and working with it is another .

Let me explain and lets not put "holding back a saw" in the topic. Just letting a WOT saw rest on a log with its own weight will be self feeding and will then get out of control and stall.

Let's take a bar/chain cutting in the horizontal felling position as your test of self feeding with no help from felling dogs.

There is a fine balance in filing technique that will make a chainsaw cut with very little hand pressure in the felling position.
It's a balance between the right amount of cutter side plate angle, top plate angle , depth gauge setting and most importantly how sharp the cutting edges are.
Now don't forget throughout the filing life of a sawchain's cutters you can't rely on a standard one time setting, as for example the depth gauge clearance setting has to be progressive as the cutters get smaller.

When the cutters are new and the depth gauges are set at .025 that clearance can be too much with the ammount of side plate angle that is already in the chain right out of the factory. So there is some fine tuning needed for whatever tree species you are cutting.
Chain from the factory is ground at a average setting and angles for common use of whats it's used for.

So when your felling a tree with no over feeding or underfeeding you have a good balance.
But alot of balance can be derived from operator experience also.....
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2017, 08:59:02 pm »
AnvilRW,  you wouldn't be able to cut a log with just holding the rear handle with one of my sawchains. ;)

Something is telling me that the new 25" RS chain you claim that will do that on your 661 ......is no where near sharp enough as it should be.
High depth gauges and negative side plate angle with a back slope, no matter how sharp it is will do that too.
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