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Any news on the MS 462?
« on: December 06, 2016, 09:35:58 pm »
Hey Guys. I went to purchase a MS 461 last week & my dealer told me they were not getting any
more in. They said the new line ups were coming out soon. Did anyone hear of the the new MS 462
yet?
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2016, 12:29:21 pm »
I bet another dealer around you can get one.... they are *DanG nice saws!!!

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2016, 07:25:44 pm »
ms 461 is available, no idea why your dealer said it wasnt. they run around $1040.00 depending on the bar/chain you want.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2016, 06:41:34 pm »
just get the 461, my dealer has them in stock and has no trouble getting other 461's , I got 461 Arctic's and I like them, handle bars sure are nice and warm

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2016, 07:01:03 pm »
Ok, so I went to my dealer today, he said he can order one for me. Don't get me wrong, it's a good dealership & the guys are nice.
I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow on the 461. I should get it within a week. BTW- its $950
Thanks for all the help
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 05:57:49 pm »
You WILL love the saw!!!!!

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 08:14:44 pm »
Not sure if you've already bought the saw or not, but right now Stihl is selling the Ms461 for the price of the Ms441, but I don't think they advertise this (you have to ask/have your dealer call stihl). This is due to the fact that the Ms441 is either out of production or unavailable at this time, so they are offering the 461 for the 441 price. Like I said, your dealer may or may not be aware of this. I just picked up a new 461 with 20" b/c for $865 on monday.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 09:41:50 pm »
I'm going tomorrow to my dealer. I will ask them about the price.
Thanks for the info!
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2016, 03:27:08 am »
Why dont you wait till 2017?
You might have a chance to choose a 382 or a 462.
(The 461 is a great saw)
You get more choice
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2016, 08:11:54 am »
Hey Guys. I went to purchase a MS 461 last week & my dealer told me they were not getting any
more in. They said the new line ups were coming out soon. Did anyone hear of the the new MS 462
yet?

Stihl just sent me a new banner yesterday promoting the 461. It is in rotation at the top, or, here it is below.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 10:12:20 pm »
We just demo'd the European version of the MS 462 for Stihl International.  It is an awesome saw.  But it will be probably another year out for U.S. market.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2017, 07:44:56 am »
Justed Googled Stihl ms 462 c-m and found what looks like a German company selliing the 462 c-m for 1248.00€.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2017, 05:50:27 pm »
I purchased the 461R last week with the 24 in b/c and it's a beast! It isn't broken in yet, but pulled through a 32" elm like butter. The 36RM chain, full comp, that it came with is a little choppy, hanging up a couple of times but the power of the saw will drag you right back into it when it's slightly moved.
This is a saw that will be difficult to match, both power and reliability. Great balance and quality engineering. The filtration system may be the only thing that I question, but if you are serious about cutting, this will not disappoint. I tried the Dolamar before the 461R and was glad I did. This is one that you will have forever if you treat it with respect. Once you realize the time you save with this saw, you will not regret the $$$. Mine tipped the scale at about 1200, but it already paid itself.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 06:38:09 am »
The MS462 maybe yet to come, but this fantastic saw derived from the old 038 would be a great buy as a companion for a MS461.
http://www.dmi.com.ph/stihl/products/stihl-products/chain-saws/professional-chain-saw/257

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 09:11:54 am »
I purchased the 461R last week with the 24 in b/c and it's a beast! It isn't broken in yet, but pulled through a 32" elm like butter. The 36RM chain, full comp, that it came with is a little choppy, hanging up a couple of times but the power of the saw will drag you right back into it when it's slightly moved.
This is a saw that will be difficult to match, both power and reliability. Great balance and quality engineering. The filtration system may be the only thing that I question, but if you are serious about cutting, this will not disappoint. I tried the Dolamar before the 461R and was glad I did. This is one that you will have forever if you treat it with respect. Once you realize the time you save with this saw, you will not regret the $$$. Mine tipped the scale at about 1200, but it already paid itself.

  I agree with it 100% man, the 461 is great...every time I use it I am more impressed and I have had it a 1-1/2 years....mine usually wears the 25" bar...I actually have a 32" with full skip chain, but I have never tried it yet....I also installed the HO oiler in mine...

  I don't know about you buy my saw kept getting stronger til atleast 15-20 tanks of fuel....

 A couple weeks ago I drilled holes in the baffle, enlarged the exghuast outlet some and re-tuned the carb....I didn't get to carried away with the exghuast hole size, the main thing is getting the baffle out of the muffler and enlarging the existing exghuast hole some....I will tell you I can feel power gain for sure....it helps the saw stay cooler and gets rid of exghuast faster...

  After i did this modification I could tell excactly why people say the saw is "choked" down from the factory to meet EPA standards.....the saw ran great before these mods, but it now runs even better...I beieve these mods help the saw in every possible way...if you get some spare time I would HIGHLY recommend you do this to your saw!!!

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 09:52:09 am »
I'm hear ya and I'd like to see what you did to the muffler. I got to admit I don't feel right yet doing a muffler mod to a week old saw, but when I get a few more tanks through it I may just see what I'm able to get out of it.
I did similar on my old 034, where I basically took out the entire baffle inside, but kept the cover exhaust the same just to keep sparks and major heat deflected away from me. Not quite sure if I noticed a huge difference, and now with the 461, I guess I won't need to really find out.
If you have a pic or two of your muffler mod, it would be great to see what is possible.
I just might try on semi-skip, semi-chisel as this has been sweet on the 034. The 461 has so much power it may not be needed but snagging of the full comp chain is pain. I'm not complaing, just wanting to keep the saw dust pouring out the back. Man that think can throw some chips!

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2017, 09:13:11 pm »
I'm hear ya and I'd like to see what you did to the muffler. I got to admit I don't feel right yet doing a muffler mod to a week old saw, but when I get a few more tanks through it I may just see what I'm able to get out of it.
I did similar on my old 034, where I basically took out the entire baffle inside, but kept the cover exhaust the same just to keep sparks and major heat deflected away from me. Not quite sure if I noticed a huge difference, and now with the 461, I guess I won't need to really find out.
If you have a pic or two of your muffler mod, it would be great to see what is possible.
I just might try on semi-skip, semi-chisel as this has been sweet on the 034. The 461 has so much power it may not be needed but snagging of the full comp chain is pain. I'm not complaing, just wanting to keep the saw dust pouring out the back. Man that think can throw some chips!

 Yes, the mod is definitely not needed, I just have OCD..

No I dont have any pics...but if you look at pics of the inside of the 461 muffler, just imagine a bunch of 1/4"  holes in the baffle...it just helps rid the motor of heat/exghuast...like I said the saw is great as it is, this mod just helps her run cooler, and in turn gives a power/response bust...

  I will get a pic of the exghuast opening thought...like I said I stuck to the conservative side and didnt get carried away with a huge exghuast opening.....yes theybthrow chips hard LOL!!

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2017, 11:09:29 am »
I was in the same boat.  I wanted to wait for the 462, but couldn't really get a straight answer on the delivery.  I went with the 461R w/ a 28" b/c.  I went with the full skip chain.  I love the saw.  I only have about 4 tanks through it at the moment, but I'm really impressed w/ it.  For a bigger saw it doesn't feel heavy.  Has great balance.  I'm still not sold on the wrap handle, but it was all they had so I took it.  Time will tell on that.  My local dealer gave me a great deal.  I picked up the saw, b/c, backup chain and a jug of oil for <$1000 usd.

I would still like to know about the availability of the 462.  I'm intrigued by that saw.  There's no way I could swing that now as I don't feel like sleeping in the garage.....

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 04:23:24 am »
I was in the same boat.  I wanted to wait for the 462, but couldn't really get a straight answer on the delivery.  I went with the 461R w/ a 28" b/c.  I went with the full skip chain.  I love the saw.  I only have about 4 tanks through it at the moment, but I'm really impressed w/ it.  For a bigger saw it doesn't feel heavy.  Has great balance.  I'm still not sold on the wrap handle, but it was all they had so I took it.  Time will tell on that.  My local dealer gave me a great deal.  I picked up the saw, b/c, backup chain and a jug of oil for <$1000 usd.

I would still like to know about the availability of the 462.  I'm intrigued by that saw.  There's no way I could swing that now as I don't feel like sleeping in the garage.....

JaJ
Just wait til you run 10-more tanks threw that saw, she will really wake up then...

   The more I have seen the 462, (and I know most may disagree), I think I like the look of the 461 a little more....yes it will be interesting to see the mtronic and spring AV on the 462, and it better have a pre-filter airfilter system too...

   I am glad I got my 461 last year, I like to be able to adjust my carb, it may not be as "perfect" as a system as mtronic, but not near as much can go wrong with it either....when I pick up my 461, I know she will start, will cut, and will make me happy....

Oh I don't like those wrap handles, I stilymp to much with my saw to have one....I did put the HO oil pump in mine, which ours should have....you can always by the regular handle bar if need be!!

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2017, 08:16:55 am »
it says: in summer 2017, which is now in Europe so should be already available or be within 1-2 month.
Wow!!  6 hp with 6 kilos weight!! that's impressive

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2017, 11:42:39 am »
I like how the 462 has a low profile 1 piece top cover from using a HD canister air filter mounted behind the carb not on top.
Looks like a large version of a MS261C.

This 72.2cc 13.2 lb. MS462C doesn't look to be a saw that's replacing the MS461, more for replacing the MS441C. As the 70.7 cc 441 is the exact same 14.6 lb weight of the 76.5cc 461 with less power.

This is exciting times in the industry as in a few weeks this August Husqvarna will be introducing their new 70cc 572XP in Europe. But from pictures I seen the 572 has a bloated high top cover and retains a primer bulb.

Just like the excitement back in 1988 when the Stihl 044AV was introduced to challenge the market leading Husqvarna 268XP ;D

 

 
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2017, 04:08:01 pm »
MS462C in action.

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2017, 05:15:55 pm »
I want one!

Not because of that video though. I'll admit I don't recognize the wood he cut but it  didn't look very hard except for the non-impressive cutting speed. I think a more effective chain might have made for a more impressive demo!

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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2017, 07:00:11 pm »
Talked to technical advisor at Stihl today and he knows nothing of a ms 462 being released in the USA.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2017, 07:24:21 pm »
I want one!

Not because of that video though. I'll admit I don't recognize the wood he cut but it  didn't look very hard except for the non-impressive cutting speed. I think a more effective chain might have made for a more impressive demo!
That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2017, 07:29:45 pm »
just get the 461, my dealer has them in stock and has no trouble getting other 461's , I got 461 Arctic's and I like them, handle bars sure are nice and warm


I tried getting a 461vw (arctic) and my dealer told me they were discontinued can't get them anymore!  You know where I can get one?
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2017, 10:32:45 am »
Im in Canada and we can still buy arctic saws , I also was told I could not get any more of them about a year ago but we got another shipment of them . They sure have the best heated handle bars in the 70 cc up saws class.  My 372 xpws handles donot get warm very good on cold days

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2017, 10:34:06 am »
I agree, that operator sure did not do that saw justice , a 362 would get that fast in good hands

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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2017, 03:51:45 pm »
I can't wait for the 462 to be available in the US. I'll be getting one to accompany my 461R.

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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2017, 07:27:32 am »

That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D

No kidding, LOL.  Watching the "pros" at the Paul Bunyan Show I have often thought the same ???,,, or maybe we do it wrong ;)??
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2017, 09:54:40 am »

That operator how badly he handled that saw didn't do it justice. :D

No kidding, LOL.  Watching the "pros" at the Paul Bunyan Show I have often thought the same ???,,, or maybe we do it wrong ;)??
The operator in that video was rocking the bar and chain up and down like crazy with the dogs.

When you crosscut efficiently you hold the saw level and let the sawchain do its work without changing different pressures and angles.
Keeping the dogs clear of the log takes practice. In the competitive field crosscutting cookies dogs are not on the saw.
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2017, 10:51:26 am »
I took the spike off my 036 when it was brand new and installed a smooth block of aluminum in it's place. Came from the dealer and I'm purdy sure it was a Stihl part?  I think they called it a pulpwood bumper? Saves having to hold the saw back and works well except at the very top of the cut where you must hold the saw back.
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2017, 01:13:58 pm »
Pretty well all 70 cc and under saws throughout history had an optional smooth bumper plate .
Biggest reason for them was for efficient limbing in conifer.
Of course felling and bucking in smaller diameter wood,  a professional operator would have his chain filed to the point where it was always self feeding.
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2017, 03:05:51 pm »
Of course felling and bucking in smaller diameter wood,  a professional operator would have his chain filed to the point where it was always self feeding.
You mean independent of the mass of the saw?  How does one sharpen a chain to do that?  I know that when boring by keeping pressure on the bottom (return side) of the bar a saw will pretty much self feed, but how does that work when crosscutting?
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2017, 04:19:19 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2017, 05:34:23 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
I guess not.  Never had to hold a saw back but being a machinist by trade, my definition of self-feeding might be different.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2017, 06:24:35 pm »
AnvilRW, well if you haven't figured that one out then your simply not following manufacturers sharpening specs :D
I guess not.  Never had to hold a saw back but being a machinist by trade, my definition of self-feeding might be different.
???Machinist work is one thing.... experience maintaining a productive sawchain and working with it is another .

Let me explain and lets not put "holding back a saw" in the topic. Just letting a WOT saw rest on a log with its own weight will be self feeding and will then get out of control and stall.

Let's take a bar/chain cutting in the horizontal felling position as your test of self feeding with no help from felling dogs.

There is a fine balance in filing technique that will make a chainsaw cut with very little hand pressure in the felling position.
It's a balance between the right amount of cutter side plate angle, top plate angle , depth gauge setting and most importantly how sharp the cutting edges are.
Now don't forget throughout the filing life of a sawchain's cutters you can't rely on a standard one time setting, as for example the depth gauge clearance setting has to be progressive as the cutters get smaller.

When the cutters are new and the depth gauges are set at .025 that clearance can be too much with the ammount of side plate angle that is already in the chain right out of the factory. So there is some fine tuning needed for whatever tree species you are cutting.
Chain from the factory is ground at a average setting and angles for common use of whats it's used for.

So when your felling a tree with no over feeding or underfeeding you have a good balance.
But alot of balance can be derived from operator experience also.....
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2017, 07:24:15 pm »
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???Machinist work is one thing.... experience maintaining a productive sawchain and working with it is another .

Let me explain and lets not put "holding back a saw" in the topic. Just letting a WOT saw rest on a log with its own weight will be self feeding and will then get out of control and stall.

Let's take a bar/chain cutting in the horizontal felling position as your test of self feeding with no help from felling dogs.

There is a fine balance in filing technique that will make a chainsaw cut with very little hand pressure in the felling position.
It's a balance between the right amount of cutter side plate angle, top plate angle , depth gauge setting and most importantly how sharp the cutting edges are.
Now don't forget throughout the filing life of a sawchain's cutters you can't rely on a standard one time setting, as for example the depth gauge clearance setting has to be progressive as the cutters get smaller.

When the cutters are new and the depth gauges are set at .025 that clearance can be too much with the ammount of side plate angle that is already in the chain right out of the factory. So there is some fine tuning needed for whatever tree species you are cutting.
Chain from the factory is ground at a average setting and angles for common use of whats it's used for.

So when your felling a tree with no over feeding or underfeeding you have a good balance.
But alot of balance can be derived from operator experience also.....
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2017, 08:59:02 pm »
AnvilRW,  you wouldn't be able to cut a log with just holding the rear handle with one of my sawchains. ;)

Something is telling me that the new 25" RS chain you claim that will do that on your 661 ......is no where near sharp enough as it should be.
High depth gauges and negative side plate angle with a back slope, no matter how sharp it is will do that too.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2017, 05:54:28 am »
I think there is some confusion here as to exactly what we are talking  about when we say holding  back.  As it applies to the felling dogs vs a bumper pad. Prim and proper operation in  bucking the saw will self feed  with no pressure applied by tbe operator BUT the felling dogs won't let the saw fall down through the log unless you hold them back off the log. When the saw has the bumper pad it will slide down as the saw cuts and over a long day it really saves on the ole back,, at least my old back,LOL. The pad is a bit of a hindrance when felling and certain bucking operations but for a guy with more than one saw it's nice to have on the one saw you buck with most of the time.   As for making the chains self feed that has been well described by Holman. An experienced filer will adjust his angles for the wood, type of work and the HP  available thus the saw does the work with a minimum of input from the operator. As an example RS stihl chains work nicely with my 036 saw with factory angles and depth gauges when bucking in most hard woods however when I feel like playing with the 660 and  20 inch bar doing the same work I run .005 deeper gauges and a few more degrees on both side and top angles and the same RS chain will work the 660 with 8 pin rim  and 20 inch bar with little operator input BUT as said earlier you best have an good hold on the saw when you put it in the wood and you do NOT use the top of the bar unless you have perfect footing, a good grasp on the saw and your head about you. Those chains are near worthless on a lower powered saw and indeed dangerous on them so I keep them separate and we'll marked. Depth gauges are a large part of the equation but only when the cutters are sharp, Lowering gauges in a haphazard manner is DANGEROUS, use a gauge and dont get carried away. A lot is written about hot rodding saw motors and little about the chains but they must pair up and match the wood for things to work to perfection. Dinking with chains is interesting and the results are satisfying, give it a try.  Just be careful how you handle the saw as you make them more aggressive.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2017, 10:54:56 am »
If this MS462C is factory stock I can see from this video that Stihl had a real powerhouse of a saw here.
Very quick throttle response, high WOT and lots of grunt in the wood burying what appears to be a 20 inch b/c.
72.2cc and only 13.261 lbs (powerhead weight only).

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2017, 12:57:35 pm »
If that really is the "first cut" as the title implies, it might get better as the saw breaks in.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2017, 01:59:29 pm »
If that really is the "first cut" as the title implies, it might get better as the saw breaks in.
John, now after a second look at that saw there doesn't appear to be a mark or wood debris on the saw. So it definitely looks like it's making it's first cut.

Will definitely increase alot more power and speed once broke in.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2017, 09:56:09 pm »
I cringe when I watch that operator in the video warm up that saw, blipping the throttle like that.
Worst thing for the connecting rod bearings.
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2017, 10:47:28 pm »
I was wondering about his cookie cutting technique, but then I'm far from an expert at that.  I found it hard to get an idea of what the saw was capable of on the first two cookies. I would guess that sawing straight through (closer to what he did on the 3rd cookie) would be the way to go. Any of you with more experience in that care to comment?
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2017, 07:53:10 am »
Ha, hardly any more weight than my (new to me) 362c and more power.  I'm still getting used to the 362c. 

Stihl seems to be on a roll with the 362c, 261c, and now 462..

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2017, 10:27:43 am »
This 73cc lightweight beast MS462CM taking on the competition reminds me of when Stihl introduced the 85cc 064AV and 71cc 044AV back in the 1980's.
The industry was turned on its head with a 14.1 lb 85cc and 12.8 lb 71cc saws. Now they're doing it again.

When Fred Whyte hired me to work for Stihl in 1989, I had the job of planting the seeds for the newly introduced 044AV in late 1988.
I passed this 044AV brochure out to every saw dealer and pro end-user I could find.
2nd pic is my own 1989 Stihl 044AV and first year 1986 064AV. 
My Yamaha bike saw in the back ground is actually older, I built it in 1983.  :D

When Hans Peter Stihl came for a board meeting visit he Christened my Yamaha when he picked it up off our work bench at our regional branch in Edmonton, Alberta.  ;D
 

  

  

 
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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2017, 11:04:46 am »
Nice! Does the Yamahogger have a radiator?

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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2017, 02:09:57 pm »
Nice! Does the Yamahogger have a radiator?
No radiator or water pump, only a cup or 2 of coolant in the cylinders jacket.
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2017, 09:36:55 pm »
So how long can it cut before it gets too hot?

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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2017, 08:21:14 am »
So how long can it cut before it gets too hot?
About 30 seconds .
I designed it to cut WOT for 3 to 4 seconds for 3 cuts, time includes starting the saw  ;D
 

 
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
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Re: Any news on the MS 462?
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2017, 08:59:12 pm »
Welcome to the Forum wetherby!
Are you the father Gordon or the son Sterling in the video?
We'd  love to hear some stories about the MS462C from you  :)
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