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Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« on: December 01, 2016, 06:47:40 pm »
The church I pastor has just been deeded a neighboring church property that hasn't been used in two years.  The building was constructed in 1860.  I am beginning to do an in-depth examination of the history of the church.  I a trying to determine, without using destructive means, the wood that was used to construct the building.  Most of the framing is Hemlock, however the wood the makes up the pews is enigmatic as is the flooring.  I am attaching pics and would appreciate any insight regarding identification.




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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2016, 07:30:05 pm »
1- oak with timberworm?
2- red oak flooring
3= looks like end grain of pine
4- oak?

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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 07:35:06 pm »
Tlmlscmoore.welcome to the forum.
I can't help ya,but I would suspect back in 1860 the wood was not trucked halfway across the country to build a church.
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2016, 08:01:50 am »
Most of what I see is ash. 
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2016, 09:46:41 am »
Tlmlscmoore, welcome to the forum!
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2016, 06:02:09 pm »
Just remember, just because the church is from the 1860's doesn't mean that floor boards, benches and everything else is all original.
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2016, 06:53:32 pm »
+1, mainly ash.

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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2016, 06:59:24 pm »
I forgot to repost after WDH... I agree.

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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2016, 01:00:45 pm »
Darn I wrote a long reply and got timed out before I submitted. 

Get some pictures of the end grain of the wood.  The one end grain picture you have appears to be a pine/conifer rather than a hardwood (at least to my old eyes).  It has an abrupt transition and no large vascular pores-ash would have large pores that you'd see even on that picture.  Instead you see an abrupt spring/summer wood transition and I think..think ...I see resin pores in the end grain.  Resin pores would mean pine/fir/spruce for sure.  Some conifers like Cedar don't have resin pores though-just a tip.

The wood that's very fine grained should be a maple/poplar/cherry.  The wood with distinctive flat saw (with worms) could be ash or a pine-an end grain picture would tell all.  The one with more of a quarter saw look could be ash...or something else. 

I'm guessing at least 3 species there.  If you send end grain pictures I can offer more insight.

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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2016, 03:38:57 pm »
No Sir.  Sorry.  I disagree.  The end grain pic is ash.  Definitely not a softwood. 
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2016, 08:27:46 pm »
Timiscmoore and nativewolf - welcome to the FF.  Thanks for posting.

Don't make us take sides on this.  WDH has been wrong before, but I can't remember when that was.  I'm not saying he's correct.  I just know enough to not say that he's incorrect.   :D ;D
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2016, 10:16:34 pm »
Welcome to the forum, guys, definitely not softwood.
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Re: Help identifying finished wood in a 155 year old church
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2016, 01:57:30 pm »
Hey, I've been a wrong many times.  If we could just slice with a razor just a little bitty slice.  Like paper thin. That would be enough to tell about an inch across.