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hackberry jake

October 26, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
I wrapped up some box elder in saran wrap about two months ago. Sprayed it with water and wrapped it up.Unwrapped it today and it looks pretty good. It was mainly just plain white boards with hardly any red in it. It looks more interesting now.


  

  

  

 
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#1
October 26, 2016, 09:53:54 PM
cant wait for you to run 1 through the planer and see how it turns out ;D :)
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#2
October 27, 2016, 05:37:59 AM
Well, It's moldy. :D :D :D
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October 27, 2016, 07:45:50 AM
That is gonna be good.
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69bronco

#4
October 27, 2016, 08:07:41 AM
Plane some, let's see!

Magicman

#5
October 27, 2016, 08:12:56 AM
Mildew yes, but in only two months I doubt much actual spalt.
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#6
October 27, 2016, 08:46:20 AM
Looks like some real nice stuff.  I like B E...that blood red heart is attractive.  Have fun with it and can't wait to see what you do with it.
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Ox

#7
October 27, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
I bet a good skip planing would look nice.
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#8
October 27, 2016, 12:10:40 PM
While I have no experience with Box Elder, I have done what you did with black oak and while it looked much like your lumber did in only a couple of months, it took a full year before the spalting went deep enough to still be there after planing.  By that time, the sap wood was pretty punky but the heart wood was still solid.
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#9
October 27, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Many of the hardwoods won't spalt in the heartwood. 
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October 27, 2016, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: WDH on October 27, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Many of the hardwoods won't spalt in the heartwood.
Thanks to the sawmill gods, there's old reliable... maple :)
bk

hackberry jake

#11
October 27, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
I wish I had gotten some better pictures of the plane lumber before I wrapped it. There was a little bit of grayish blue stain already, but not nearas much as it has now. I'm going to be dissapointed if it all planes off.
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October 29, 2016, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: bkaimwood on October 27, 2016, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: WDH on October 27, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Many of the hardwoods won't spalt in the heartwood.
Thanks to the sawmill gods, there's old reliable... maple :)

White Birch is also high on the Sawmill Gods Spalting List. 
I just cut it and leave it flat stacked for a few months or leave the log and cut it a year later...presto-change...Spalt!!!
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October 29, 2016, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: hackberry jake on October 27, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
I wish I had gotten some better pictures of the plane lumber before I wrapped it. There was a little bit of grayish blue stain already, but not nearas much as it has now. I'm going to be dissapointed if it all planes off.

Hurry up and plane some of that...We wanna see!!
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#14
October 29, 2016, 06:04:25 PM
We have a decent amount of box elder here, but it doesn't have much red, so I never had any luck selling it.  I'm interested in how this turns out. 
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#15
November 01, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
I wouldn't get too excited about that red spalt. Here is a pretty cookie. I just took this picture of the side that has been leaning against a wall.


  

Now look at the side that has been exposed to light.

 

Ox

#16
November 02, 2016, 10:34:55 AM
Light kills spalt?  Interesting.  Well, I guess it makes sense...fungal critters like dark and moist.
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#17
November 02, 2016, 10:39:20 AM
Den, what are the billets for? Ball bats?
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Den Socling

#18
November 02, 2016, 12:09:00 PM
Ox, I'm sure the fungus was already dead. The light just faded the color.

LeeB, yes they will be baseball bats. Marucci Sports now has 5 of our kilns, Old Hickory has 2 and Louisville Slugger, Dove Tail Bat and Cooperstown Bat each have one. And still I'm asked to dry billets all of the time. Marucci alone dries around 17,700 billets per MONTH! How can the world use so many baseball bats? Also, I heard, every bat being used in the World Series this year was dried in one of our vac kilns.  8)

bkaimwood

#19
November 02, 2016, 07:48:38 PM
Light kills the red streaks in box elder...it however, does not kill spalting in maple (despite being from the same family)....come to think of it, I can't think of any other North American species that carries this trait...it's beautiful and a bummer at the same time...certainly application specific...
bk

Den Socling

#20
November 02, 2016, 08:35:12 PM
Here's a picture from when I dried this cookie. It was really bright and beautiful then. That was a couple/few years ago.


 

Ox

#21
November 03, 2016, 04:36:51 AM
I've never seen anything like that around here.  Very nice.
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LeeB

#22
November 03, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the red in BE is not spalting. And it changes color just like the red in cedar, the yellow in osage, the darkness of cherry, ect, does due to UV light.
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Glenn Ohman

#23
November 03, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: LeeB on November 03, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
the red in BE is not spalting.

Yup, generally speaking it is the trees response to stress and/or wounding.

Glenn

Den Socling

#24
November 03, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
Yes, we have confused terms. The red color is in solid wood. Not spalt at all. Funny that we have been referring to it as spalting through this entire thread.  :D
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