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Started by DirtKrazy, September 30, 2016, 11:54:54 PM

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DirtKrazy

Hey I have heard of people using 50/50 mix of glue and water. For sealing the ends of lumber.
Has anyone used this method? Or should I just buy a can of end sealer?
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Kbeitz

If glue works you can save your self some money and buy a 50 gal  of starch.
I worked in a textile factory and we could buy the drums cheap.
We found out it was the same stuff as white wood glue.
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DirtKrazy,welcome to the forum.
What are you using the lumber for.
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DirtKrazy

I will have to try old paint. Sounds like a good way to mark different lumber for different jobs.

Right now I am cuttimg and going to make nice projects around the house.
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Brucer

Enamel paint will work (but it might not stick if the wood is too green). Latex paint won't work -- it won't seal the wood.
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DirtKrazy

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DirtKrazy

So then I need to use something with an oil base. 8)
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Ox

I remember reading something about cheap homebuilt RV trailers for camping and such.  People were using plywood covered in bed sheets (canvas) which was painted over with a mix of water and wood glue, 50/50.  It was waterproof for many years afterwards.  It could also be painted.  If the wood glue and water mix is waterproof I would think it would work fine for sealing the ends of logs. 
5 gallon pail of starch I found for $80.  Do you mix it with water?  I don't know.                                                                       5 gallon pail of original Titebond wood glue is $67 at Home Depot.  Double it for mixing 50/50 which isn't too bad if it works.
The only thing I've ever sealed was the huge black cherry slabs I did last year.  Just sprayed on several heavy coats of brown spray paint.  Seems to have done the job for the most part.
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DirtKrazy

I have used latex now on my first few boards. Going to try enamel and see the difference. I can always find cheap cans of enamel paint stores are getting rid of. Thanks! 8)
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Kbeitz

Quote from: Ox on October 01, 2016, 10:11:42 PM
I remember reading something about cheap homebuilt RV trailers for camping and such.  People were using plywood covered in bed sheets (canvas) which was painted over with a mix of water and wood glue, 50/50.  It was waterproof for many years afterwards.  It could also be painted.  If the wood glue and water mix is waterproof I would think it would work fine for sealing the ends of logs. 
5 gallon pail of starch I found for $80.  Do you mix it with water?  I don't know.                                                                       5 gallon pail of original Titebond wood glue is $67 at Home Depot.  Double it for mixing 50/50 which isn't too bad if it works.
The only thing I've ever sealed was the huge black cherry slabs I did last year.  Just sprayed on several heavy coats of brown spray paint.  Seems to have done the job for the most part.

I don't remember where we got it but here is 45 lb drum for $89.00

http://www.nortonsupply.com/diamond-deluxe-starch-45-lb-drum

US $500 - 800  for 25 metric tones.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Trade-Assurance-Industrial-Cationic-Corn-Starch_60199270689.html

This looks like the stuff we used...

https://corporate.faultless.com/liquid_starch_and_sizing.php

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fishfighter

I used Kilz stain blocker in latex and oil. Didn't see any difference and both worked great.

Oh, I also used paints that I got cheap that were mixed that didn't match the color that people wanted. I pay $3-$4 for a gallon. Check paint stores. ;D

DirtKrazy

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Czech_Made

For wood I really care for I use melted candle wax.

Delawhere Jack

Paint works, but it makes it hard to see that growth rings when you get the log on the mill. I had a client that used paraffin wax melted down and thinned with mineral spirits. Sealed well, and I could see the growth rings. Had another one that used spray can shellac.

DirtKrazy

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Brucer

To be effective and end-sealer has to prevent water vapour from escaping from the log. Oil-based paints and wax emulsions do this very well. Most latex paints do not.

The best way to find out if a paint will do the job is to find out if it is approved for use as a vapour barrier in house construction. If it isn't, it's not suitable for sealing logs.
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shelbycharger400

Ive been using behr green and silver can  enamel basemaker from home depot.  Stright out of the can, its equiv of 5-6 coats of urethane. Its thick!.   i paint it on high figure as well, and it slows the drying and  checking  issues on walnut and cherry

Brad_bb

If your reason for deviating from Anchor Seal is that you don't want to buy 5 gallons, that it is more than you need, Rockler does sell gallons and quarts of end grain sealer which I'm almost certain IS Anchorseal repackaged smaller.  I wouldn't mess around with anything but Anchorseal.  Glue would be such a mess.
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Kbeitz

Quote from: Brad_bb on November 19, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
If your reason for deviating from Anchor Seal is that you don't want to buy 5 gallons, that it is more than you need, Rockler does sell gallons and quarts of end grain sealer which I'm almost certain IS Anchorseal repackaged smaller.  I wouldn't mess around with anything but Anchorseal.  Glue would be such a mess.

Glue and industrial starch is the same thing...
industrial starch is very cheap in 55 gal barrows...
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Quote from: Kbeitz on October 02, 2016, 06:51:36 AM
This looks like the stuff we used...

https://corporate.faultless.com/liquid_starch_and_sizing.php
Hey Kbeitz, did the faulltless liquid starch work in place of the Anchorseal?  Looking for an end sealer but can't justify the cost of Anchorseal at this time. 
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Kbeitz

It worked. You just got to use it up when you make it or it gets hard in the can.
The cheapest way I found is miss matched latex paint. Some stores will give it
to you just to get rid if it...
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