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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #820 on: May 15, 2017, 03:39:07 pm »
I figure it will cost me a minimum of $1300-$1400 due to the distance he has to travel (some 300 miles) ...

Well, it is a good write off on your business.  You seem to like to drive ;) - why not take it to him?  Not worth your drive time?
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« Reply #821 on: May 15, 2017, 03:46:56 pm »
I figure it will cost me a minimum of $1300-$1400 due to the distance he has to travel (some 300 miles) ...

Well, it is a good write off on your business.  You seem to like to drive ;) - why not take it to him?  Not worth your drive time?

I considered it seriously but I drive so much now I decided it would be better to make them come to me and it is a right off. ;)

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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #822 on: May 15, 2017, 04:21:09 pm »
I will make a confession here, I know my forest pretty well.  I know forest products pretty well.  I don't know machines, learning late in life.  So I video tape everything.  I buy a new SD card for a project, I catalog them.  Really good stuff I'll save off somewhere else.  I believe if you video it, setup on a tripod with Audio ON! (have I forgotten to do that?  well there is no proof-I deleted it :D).  Borrow a cheap tripod or buy one, I find it invaluable.  Lets you see what is happening while recording.  If you can record 2 versions, one from the tripod and one hand held.  Talk to him the whole time so he has to explain it all and that is captured on the video. 

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« Reply #823 on: May 15, 2017, 04:57:07 pm »
Hmmm interesting...might be worth it if he doesn't mind ;)
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« Reply #824 on: May 15, 2017, 05:50:27 pm »
When you bill by the board foot do you still charge delivery/setup fees?

Do you charge for actual board footage milled, or what the customers wants despite the logs they provide (i.e. they want 16 foot lumber and provide 18 foot logs).

What if you make what they ask but can't help to make something else in the process (like 2x4's from flitches that yielded 2x8's and 2x4's but they only wanted 2x8's)?

What if the logs are all badly checked?  Lots of pitch pockets? 

I'm trying to understand the billing because so far, I don't see an advantage unless there are all good, green, big logs so I can produce at a good rate.
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« Reply #825 on: May 15, 2017, 08:08:08 pm »
In my case, some times you are the pigeon, sometimes you are the statue.
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« Reply #826 on: May 15, 2017, 08:23:10 pm »
The WM service truck comes through my area every year and I have mine serviced every three years.  Be sure and watch and understand everything that James does and ask why.

My travel and setup is $1.50 per mile one way one time, whether I am sawing bf rate or hourly rate.  I bill at the bf rate of the log I saw.  If it's an 18' log the customer (or I) can buck it to 16' or I will bill it as 18'.

I most always saw at the bf rate and there is normally a slight pile of "extra" lumber that I do not scale or bill for.  I always point this out to the customer, and he may point out that he added a tip to my invoice.

There are times when a log is just bad and will not make anything even after I make a few cuts.  I find that it is better to just kick it off and move on to a better log.  Of course I also cull logs before they reach the sawmill.  The customer does not know and appreciates the guidance.   
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« Reply #827 on: May 15, 2017, 11:41:39 pm »
Hi Eric

Mine gets the major in the shop once over every spring and general check every thing over in the fall.

When I say a major once over it starts with a all shields and guards removed high pressure steam/acid wash down and then I go through all woodmizer recommended maintenance procedures.

My mill is in very good condition with just shy of 2000 hours. The only signs of use are the paint fade because I dont have a shed to store it in and the scars on side supports from brain farts while milling. AND the bent fender from the lowering the loader BEFORE I took the fender off. I straightened it out but its not factory pretty.   
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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #828 on: May 16, 2017, 12:47:57 am »
I typically do a complete alignment (strictly by the book) every 3 years or 200,000 BF, whichever comes first.

The simple alignment procedure is usually good enough when something is "off" but after a while the adjustments tend to drift away from the original starting point -- which is the frame of the mill.

And yes, for the complete alignment you have to remove the blade guide roller assemblies (and put on new bandwheel belts). Don't take shortcuts.
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« Reply #829 on: May 16, 2017, 02:56:55 am »
I live on a bumpy dusty road and so too do some of my clients.I do minor adjustment approx monthly and this seems to keep things running better than an annual approach for me.
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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #830 on: May 16, 2017, 08:39:02 am »
When you bill by the board foot do you still charge delivery/setup fees?

I charge mileage after the first 10 miles to try to keep my fees down but to get paid for long hauls. And to keep jobs local to my yard.

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Do you charge for actual board footage milled, or what the customers wants despite the logs they provide (i.e. they want 16 foot lumber and provide 18 foot logs).

actual bdft coming off the mill. you cut it you should be paid for it.

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What if you make what they ask but can't help to make something else in the process (like 2x4's from flitches that yielded 2x8's and 2x4's but they only wanted 2x8's)?
actual bdft regardless of what was ordered.

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What if the logs are all badly checked?  Lots of pitch pockets? 
actual bdft, low quality is pointed out and recommended to not be sawn, but sawn if asked to.

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I'm trying to understand the billing because so far, I don't see an advantage unless there are all good, green, big logs so I can produce at a good rate.
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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #831 on: May 16, 2017, 09:03:53 am »
Erik,

   I agree with Jim on all his points except charging for lumber the customer did not order. Even though it may be a fast and simple cut to salvage a 2X4 or 1X6 out of a flitch if the customer can't use them why should he pay for them?

   You might contract for you to keep all such salvage but then you have to figure out a way to sell it at the site or haul it off the job and more importantly how to cut it without interfering or appearing to interfere with your contracted sawing. This is easier if sawing by the bf. It may be simple to make one one pass to cut that 2x4 but if sawing hourly how do you go off the clock for that one pass and if you have to set the flitch aside and resaw it at the end of the shift that means more handling and may not be worth the time and effort for the extra handling.

   Even if sawing by the bf there may be an appearance you are padding your stack a little at the expense of the customer's cut list. A better option might be to discount the customer's sawing bill for the salvage.

   The worst part about any of these options is it puts you in the lumber selling business when maybe you don't want to do so. If you had a customer wanting the side lumber who would pick it up on site so you don't have the extra hauling/transport, labor, storage, marketing, and retail selling costs this might be be more attractive.

   Good luck.
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« Reply #832 on: May 16, 2017, 09:54:35 am »
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My travel and setup is $1.50 per mile one way one time, whether I am sawing bf rate or hourly rate.  I bill at the bf rate of the log I saw.  If it's an 18' log the customer (or I) can buck it to 16' or I will bill it as 18'.

I most always saw at the bf rate and there is normally a slight pile of "extra" lumber that I do not scale or bill for.  I always point this out to the customer, and he may point out that he added a tip to my invoice.

There are times when a log is just bad and will not make anything even after I make a few cuts.  I find that it is better to just kick it off and move on to a better log.  Of course I also cull logs before they reach the sawmill.  The customer does not know and appreciates the guidance.

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I'm muddling along trying to learn how to get the most out of the trees I manage to get to my sawmill. If I were to hire somebody to come saw some logs, I'd want their advice on the logs and their willingness to saw even the scrap if I was willing to pay for it. If there was extra lumber at the end of the job that I didn't foresee, you bet there'd be a "tip" on that invoice.

Years ago I added a room onto my late mother's house, just for one of her great granddaughters to have to herself. I started out asking Mom how she preferred this or that -- details of the structure. She stopped that pretty quick with, "If I thought I knew more about it than you, I'd be building it."

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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #833 on: May 16, 2017, 10:59:52 am »
Erik,

   I agree with Jim on all his points except charging for lumber the customer did not order. Even though it may be a fast and simple cut to salvage a 2X4 or 1X6 out of a flitch if the customer can't use them why should he pay for them?

   You might contract for you to keep all such salvage but then you have to figure out a way to sell it at the site or haul it off the job and more importantly how to cut it without interfering or appearing to interfere with your contracted sawing. This is easier if sawing by the bf. It may be simple to make one one pass to cut that 2x4 but if sawing hourly how do you go off the clock for that one pass and if you have to set the flitch aside and resaw it at the end of the shift that means more handling and may not be worth the time and effort for the extra handling.

   Even if sawing by the bf there may be an appearance you are padding your stack a little at the expense of the customer's cut list. A better option might be to discount the customer's sawing bill for the salvage.

   The worst part about any of these options is it puts you in the lumber selling business when maybe you don't want to do so. If you had a customer wanting the side lumber who would pick it up on site so you don't have the extra hauling/transport, labor, storage, marketing, and retail selling costs this might be be more attractive.

   Good luck.

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Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
« Reply #834 on: May 17, 2017, 08:56:46 pm »
#@#$@  :o :( :-\

So I've backed the mill into it's parking spot a hundred times without an issue.  I pull up, swing around and back it to the chalks.  My wife always says "how on earth do you do that?" and I usually respond with something about doing it all the time.....

And then today happen! #@#@%$@

Had a neighbor with a short walnut log he wanted milled up so I ran over to his place (maybe 5 houses away) milled it up for him, collected $100 (he asked how much, I said "whatever you think is fair" and he handed me a $100 bill)....and drove back home and backed the mill up...only I was at a slightly different angle and not thinking...I swung the truck around a bit and didn't think about the camper....and took the mirror off my son in laws car and scratched the door and buggered the leg on the camper :(

SO ya, I gave my son-in-law the $100 and will have to go mill a little more to pay for the rest of the damage!  :o  :snowball:
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« Reply #835 on: May 17, 2017, 09:16:50 pm »
Ouch !!!  Been there; done that sort of thing.
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« Reply #836 on: May 17, 2017, 09:21:10 pm »
Ya I don't see much humor in mine! LOL  Specially the having to pay for it part....
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« Reply #837 on: May 17, 2017, 09:32:48 pm »
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« Reply #838 on: May 17, 2017, 10:05:57 pm »
Erik,

   I feel your pain. A few weeks back my son called to get me to come help him come pull his pump. he also called his FIL who had a tool to help pull it. I went up, we pulled the pump then had to go get a few parts so took my truck. I backed out into his FIL. After insurance I had to pay $500 deductible on the $1500 or so to my truck and they said $1008 for sons FIL. You had to look close to see the scrape on his and a small dent in mine. I put mine in the shop last week so local body shop fixed mine while I went to WM owner's day down in Albermarle NC. No good deed goes unpunished.
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« Reply #839 on: May 20, 2017, 12:57:12 am »
oldjarhead gues what may be coming past your place next week. got a load back to Albany OR. The reload may be Genie again. will give you a heads up Tuesday.  Bob
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