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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2016, 10:10:36 am »
   Yep, I am sure you will find your mill will lift it and you will probably find the hydraulics/claw will rotate the big better than the little ones.
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2016, 11:51:47 am »
If that big log scales out around 24" it will run about 540bf  :o :o :o and weigh in around 2900lbs  :o :o :o

Hope the mill can lift it!

Your mill shouldn't have any issues with lifting the 24"x20' logs.

I've sawn some large logs (36"x16.5' Hemlock) with no issues on my 1995 LT40HDG


I hand cranked(LT-28Manual) a 32"diameter x 16' piece of Southern Red Oak on mine.....I was thinking towards the end. "Is this really worth $0.38 a boardfoot?"  But at the end of the cutting day....that check made me feel a lot better!



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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2016, 12:05:35 pm »
You are finding that customers have to learn too which is not always a bad thing.  If they don't know, they don't know.  They will certainly appreciate and remember that you took extra steps to provide the expertise that they needed.

Don't worry about loading that log, but try to have it well centered before you load.  Remember that black line on the rear of the sawmill frame.  The blade does not go to it.
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2016, 12:15:16 pm »
Have the customers put the middle of the logs in line with one another.
 8' would be at 4' 16 at 8'  4 and 8 would line up to the middle of the mill.
 

  

  

  

  

  

 
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2016, 04:31:30 pm »
That's a good point Peter!

That's one of the first things I always tell my customers to do is "center-stack" the logs.
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2016, 11:44:56 pm »
First day done with it's fair share of troubles but still worked out to a decent day :)  To start off I arrived with a flat!  Darn nails!  Picked up on on the highway and the passenger side tire on the mill was destroyed.  It lasted to get me to the site but I had to get it off, run to Les Schwab and get a new one (and a spare) and rushed back!  I didn't start milling (after setup) until 10:45am.

I arrived though surprised that the home owner decked all the logs in one pile though they were a little too high and needed some work still.


Got busy and the first couple logs came off the mill reasonably well while training the helpers to off-bear.


Log three loaded up, it's a 350bf 20 footer!  Loaded no problem and I began to mill.  Got one side milled down and rolled it 90 degrees, setup and began -- ZANG!!!  You know that sound right?  *DanG!  Hit a nail, changed out so a Bi-Metal and dropped it down thinking "I'll come under it and slab heavy" DING!!!!  5 more nails!  The Bi-Metal was no match for them and we bucked off 4 feet of the log, changed bands again and milled that sucker down to 2x4's :D


Then the logs started going up and the lumber coming off! 


6 hrs of milling in the sun was enough for me and I called it quits at 6pm after bucking some logs, milling 8 of them, limbing some, cutting off horns (branches sticking out and in the way) and generally working my butt off :D

Finished with 1400bf milled for the customer so far and learned something valuable:  when milling burned trees, if they got hot then slab them deep!  The outer wood is pretty *DanG hard and gave me waves like a worn band only, get under the hardened outer shell and the band went back to nice smooth straight cuts.  Can't say I expected that!  So no I'll slab em deep to save having to trim the waves out. 

Also the Bi-Metals (only actually used one today for about 4 hours) seem to cut well and faster than the double hard 10 degrees.  I could probably keep milling off the one I ran this afternoon but will change it out in the AM and go with a nice fresh one :)  After I go over the mill of course as I found some loose (not too but still not tight enough) bolts etc.

Could probably add a lot more but I'm tired, a little sunburned and my bed is calling me soon!
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PS.  The customer brought out her metal detector and started using it ;)  She even said "you did tell me I should do that if I had one and I said I would and then I forgot"
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2016, 01:34:15 am »
Eric, sounds like it's all coming together great for you.

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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2016, 06:44:43 am »
I have one more point that I advise some of my customers on!

Sometimes when I arrive I have noticed that there are some 16' logs in the stack, but no 16' lumber listed on the cutsheet, when I question the customer, they usually say we'll cut the lumber in half after it's sawn.

Then, I advise the customer that usually the sawyer can get more board footage out of two 8' logs than one 16' log, plus it's easier to handle!
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2016, 07:15:49 am »
Very good point Chuck, I don't cut long unless they need it. Don't forget OIJarhead you try to make the customer happy, But, you're the boss. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2016, 09:08:51 am »
Yup, pointed that out several times to them.  They had a faller there yesterday but he had more fun off-bearing than bucking logs.  I'm hoping I can get them to do it today but if not I'll mill 'em long.

They have no need for 20 footers but that's mostly what they left me to mill.  It was the faller who bucked them into that length.  I guess he's a family friend or relative and 'doing them a favor' type thing.  Nice guy, good with a saw, but they are getting a lot of 20 foot lumber they don't need.  All they need is 10,12,14 and 16 footers and a lot of those 20's and 16's would make more lumber if they were shorter.

Today I'll start with three tens...funny thing, they don't need much ten foot lumber either so I'm making them into 2x6's figuring they can use them for something else.  Discussed it with the customer but she was pretty beat at the time and said "do what you think is best."
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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2016, 09:40:13 am »
I regularly tell customers to buck those long logs into the size lumber that they need.  No need to saw 20's when you only need 16's.  They get more usable boards from the 16's, it's easier for me to set up and saw 16's, so we are both ahead.
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Re: Here we go! First job!
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2016, 12:55:15 pm »
Jarhead. Where is the location of this job? I have a place close to Leavenworth, Wa. Just wondering.

 
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2016, 03:45:19 pm »
Lonely Sawyer,

That's some nice place you got there...

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2016, 11:56:34 pm »
Riverside -- about 100 miles north of Wanachee.

Long day today with 7.5hrs of milling in :)  Lots of sunscreen and water!  It was a hot one, or seemed so and about half way through the day after a fill up the saw didn't seem to be happy.  It kept almost stalling when I engaged the blade or hit the forward switch, I'd stop, and restart and everything would be ok.  I stpped and checked filters and oil and all seemed fine, ran some more but it sounded sorta off and I wondered if I had some bad gas ???  Then after lunch (so about 1:30) it ran fine for the rest of the day.

I had a couple troubles today and only managed about 1300bf (Int 1/4 Scale -still working out the math on actual production but it looks like 1560ish and about 200bf/hr) partly because I was doing some flitch resawing and partly because I was having trouble with wavy cuts.  Changed band and still wavy, slowed down and it seemed to cure it for a while.....but I wandered, as I saw more at the end of the day if I was going too slow or just asking too much out of a band ???  The last log scaled out at 232bf and I'd milled about 90% of a 123bf log just before it.  Maybe I'm asking too much of the Bi-Metal bands?  Is 350bf (Int 1/4Scale) about all I should be getting?  Or maybe I'm trying to go to fast or too slow?  I've been (lately) with the dial about the '-' sign (pretty close to 11 o'clock or maybe a little slower).

I'll post pics shortly....then I need some rest! :P
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2016, 12:12:52 am »
       

Some pics from the day.  Still fighting a cold which doesn't help.

Don't know if I mentioned I was having trouble squaring up cants on some of the logs and lost time fixing them.  I found that if I used the roller to get the face cut tight to the stops and then clamped it seemed to help but boy I was struggling at times!  I'd like to get my milling rate up closer to 300bf/hr with the bigger logs (or better) but so far the day ends around 200+ and no more.

Oh and after re-asjusting the outriggers I found the bed to be perfect.  No need to adjust (thanks for straitening me out! ;)

Now I think I'll relax a little more before crashing!  It was a hot one today and I'm feeling it!
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2016, 12:32:40 am »
Hey Oljarhead

sounds like you have fun and it sounds like the learning curve is getting a bit flatter.

At 1300 BF on your mill in your first job with some issues you are doing fine. check your fuel line clamps. I had a  loose one when i got my mill home and depending how the line was hanging off the tank it would suck air and act like your describing. Also a bad o ring in the steel quick connector will do that too IF your mill has those parts.

The wavy lumber is part of the learning curve too. What species are you cutting? Big knots in pine and spruce can be a challenge. Keep your bands tight. Speed of cut is affected by a quite a few thigs but you will get so that you hear the harmony of the mills song and that is the best way to describe the right speed that I know of. From your Notes id say your in the zone but i couldnt know for sure unless i heard the mill. 

Do you have a belt tension Guage? Check your belt tension. That the first thing i check when i start to get wavy lumber. A new drive belt needs about 2 initial adjustment in the first 15 to 20 hours of install to get it seated. Make sure to adjust the brake when you do it.

In a good production set up with good logs and good help I run an average of 300 to 35 BF and hour. I start with a fresh band in the morning and the first one comes off just be for lunch. Second one comes off around 5 - 5;30 allowing for a half hour coffee break around 3. Average day is about 10 ish hours including coffee, lunch, clean up and maintenance. All hours are calculated in the BF for the day.

You are doing great.

I get between 1200 and 1600 BF per sharpening depending on species and a few other factors. Id say 1250 to 1500 is average on the double hard 10 degree 1.5 inch 055(?) bands. I sharpen my own bands and I set  30 to 33 for offset. ALL of my bands come out of the box onto the setter and then the sharpener back on the setter and then on the mill.

If your using Bi metal you should do at least half again as much as I do in the same conditions.

If you have and Iphone and can do face time Id be happy to help that way too. 
 


     
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2016, 06:42:28 am »
Lookin' Good, Eric!   ;)

If your engine keeps wanting to stall out, check the gas tank vent, that has been an issue on my mill a couple of times in the past! 
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2016, 07:35:46 am »
Tell the customers to put their logs into a word processor, and center-justify them   :D :D :D

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2016, 08:00:53 am »
  I'd like to get my milling rate up closer to 300bf/hr with the bigger logs (or better) but so far the day ends around 200+ and no more.
Stop worrying or even thinking about your productivity and concentrate on your lumber quality.  The productivity will come with time.

How many bf a blade saws before it dulls is immaterial.  When it is dull, it is dull.  Look at the teeth (with a magnifying glass if necessary) and if the outside points are rounded and shiny, the blade is dull.  Scratch your fingernail with a fresh blade and compare that with a used blade.  If those logs are "case hardened" by the fire, you may have to resort to 4 blades.
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2016, 03:17:56 pm »
I've had issues with the little vent, too. Make sure it's opened all the way so it doesn't vibrate closed.
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