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Started by Rachiano, October 23, 2015, 11:37:44 AM

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Rachiano

Are we as millers also responsible for climate change?
Trees are being cut down for us to have fun and make money.
More CO2 pumped into the air and being trapped warming up the earth.
This was the temp. yesterday here in the tropics under a shed. I can feel that its getting hotter 38 degrees celcius...phew.


Rachiano

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ladylake

 That's just over 100°  F, way to hot.  Steve
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Jeff

Very careful on this topic or off to restricted it goes with all the other climate change topics.
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ScottInCabot

I try planting as many as I take.....equals more fun for me!  And I usually plant something that'll have value in place of the trash I remove.



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dgdrls

as scottincabot  said
You have to put back what you take

and then add a little cream on top.

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hunz

It's probably always hot if you'Re in the tropics, what's another few degrees? That's why I left that place they call hell hmmmm I mean Florida
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azmtnman

The fact that he's 5 degrees north of the Equator might have something to do with it! High of 66*F here today.............IN ARIZONA! :D :D :D
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Magicman

Ain't worried about any climate change, I just want the weather to change.  86° today but the forecast calls for our drought to end tomorrow.   8)
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Kingmt

It is cooler around here in the summers anymore. We were having mild winter but the last three years it has been cold. About like I remember it is a kid. Climate shaft & change is natural. The more CO2 in the air the better plants grow & cycle it to oxygen. It becomes a wash.
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coppolajc10

Quote from: Rachiano on October 23, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Are we as millers also responsible for climate change?
Trees are being cut down for us to have fun and make money.

Rachiano, you've got some considerate customers, doing all that for you.  ;) Mine are selfish, always wanting lumber for their buildings and projects, me, me, me, me .... but I live up north here where it's cold and people are craaaaannnky.

OneWithWood

Trees are a naturally renewable resource, easily replaced if harvested in a sustainable manner.  Saw on, preferably in some shade, knowing that the lumber you produce is a much more carbon neutral material than just about every substitute.  :)
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jimdad07

Not saying that climate change is not real because it is, but it's also been a natural cycle throughout history. 
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rasman57

Quote from: Jeff on October 23, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
Very careful on this topic or off to restricted it goes with all the other climate change topics.

Great thought.  How that can be anything but issue driven and divisive in this specific forum seems evident no matter what side of the issue one believes.  Plenty of other forums for political expression.  Just my opinion...and I spent 30 years upholdiing and defending the right to say it here.   Yep. some days it is hot out when working on wood.

pine

Quote from: Rachiano on October 23, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Are we as millers also responsible for climate change?
Trees are being cut down for us to have fun and make money.
More CO2 pumped into the air and being trapped warming up the earth.


I have planted over 20K seedlings in the past several years.  I sure as heck have not cut that many trees into saw logs nor put that many across the mill. (I wish I had)
I think that my CO2 conversion to O2 rate with all the trees I have planted is higher than the O2 to CO2 conversion I have done with my mill and the trees that I have milled.   

Wood is a renewable resource and one of the few that we have. Used responsibly it will last forever.

tempforce

used to be a lot hotter, tropical plants on the poles. greenland used to be green with plants the whole year round.
and
it used to be a lot colder, ice near the equator. ice a mile high near present day new york.
it's climate change, it changes.
wind and storms balance the temperature.
green growth takes care of excess co2.
me, i like to grow my own food.
my plants like extra co2 and nitrogen, i like the 02 they give off...

in oregon, if you are a commercial grower. you're required to plant two trees within ten years, for every one harvested.
unless you are growing christmas trees.
cleaning up wildfire damage...
making lumber and siding out of wildfire damaged trees.

Ljohnsaw

There is a "documentary" on Netflix called Cowsiracy.  It seems that raising beef is the cause of greenhouse gas build up (methane) and lack of water.  They say it takes 660 gallons of water to make a fast-food burger and the methane they give off (cow farts) is far worse than the CO2 buildup.  Something like 10x what the entire transportation sector is producing.  So if we just stop eating beef, the greenhouse gas will clear up and the drought will be over.  It seems that we are having a drought in the west, the rest of you seem to be drowning in all the precip.
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Wick

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deadfall

Quote from: tempforce on October 25, 2015, 12:21:52 PM
used to be a lot hotter, tropical plants on the poles.

Just a note.  The terrestrial poles have shifted many times in the geological record.  It is assumed that Lake Chad, among other places now tropical or temperate, was once a pole.  Tropical locations have been polar, and the poles have been equatorial in past geological epochs.  So, yes, that could have been called climate change" too.  It's always been a curiosity to me that when New York was under that ice during the most recent so called ice age, Siberia was temperate with mammoths still eating the buttercups that flash froze in their mouths, just minutes before they were also flash frozen.  Those beast were frozen when our ice age ended and theirs began (and continues to this day).  This points to a shift of the terrestrial axis more than an ice age.  I mean, how does an ice age happen it eastern North America and Europe and not in western Alaska and north east Asia?  Look for the previous pole around Baffin Island/Davis Straight.  The Canadian Shield and the Great Lakes, including the Canadian Great Lakes, show pretty clearly where the Arctic Circle used to be, as they show where the glaciers really dug in, not so many thousands of years ago. 

Something to think about anyway. 

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Kingmt

This has been interesting reading.

Off subject but since it was brought up. Where do you guys buy your seedlings or do you grow or clone?
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edkemper

Perhaps another issue is what you do with the slash after cutting. When we burn it, it puts carbon in the air. However, if you conform to Permaculture principles and perhaps do Hugelkultur garden beds to bury the slash and turn it into green plants, then we have done a good deed toward helping the environment.

In the pacific northwest (USA), our problem isn't necessarily cutting down the forest, it's that we don't cut enough to clear out the clutter and then when it burns (lightning strikes mostly) it's like it was set off with napalm. Which again, fills the air with carbon.
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Chuck White

Quote from: Kingmt on October 25, 2015, 09:18:49 PM
This has been interesting reading.

Off subject but since it was brought up. Where do you guys buy your seedlings or do you grow or clone?


You should be able to sign up for spring delivery of seedling at your County Soil & Water office.
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Kingmt

Quote from: Chuck White on October 25, 2015, 10:09:48 PM


You should be able to sign up for spring delivery of seedling at your County Soil & Water office.

Thanks. I'll see if that's offered. I just found out a week ago that we have a Forester.
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Magicman

I have gotten "left over" seedlings toward the end of the planting season.  330 seedlings cost me $40.    LINK
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SawyerBrown

Quote from: Rachiano on October 23, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Are we as millers also responsible for climate change?
Rachiano, I think we should feel good about what we do!  The CO2 in what we produce is "sequestered" (tied up) for a very long time in the form of building materials, furniture, etc etc.  And getting rid of the old, many times dying stuff allows the new stuff to flourish.  So you're really a tree-hugger at heart!!   ;D
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Sixacresand

Since our horses have new homes, we have talked about what to do with the  pasture.   One option is to plant it in trees.  I just hate the thought of my pasture reverting back to a forest.   
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Magicman

I understand.  I planted all of the pasture land that my Dad, Brother and I helped to clear up.  It served well in it's time, but land usages change.  My only regret is that I drug my feet and didn't allow my Dad to plant it all 10 years sooner.
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Dodgy Loner

Quote from: rasman57 on October 25, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Jeff on October 23, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
Very careful on this topic or off to restricted it goes with all the other climate change topics.

Great thought.  How that can be anything but issue driven and divisive in this specific forum seems evident no matter what side of the issue one believes.  Plenty of other forums for political expression.  Just my opinion...and I spent 30 years upholdiing and defending the right to say it here.   Yep. some days it is hot out when working on wood.

It's a shame that it's considered a divisive political topic instead of a scientific one. But OneWithWood is right, sawing and using wood is not a big contributor to atmospheric CO2.
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Magicman

My sawmill's bumper sticker is getting "long in the tooth" and needs replacing.


 
But the message is the same:    TREES ARE AMERICA'S
                                              RENEWABLE RESOURCE
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Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

POSTON WIDEHEAD

There.....I fixed it for you.  :)


 
The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

Magicman

I went out and looked.  Musta washed off.   ;D
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POSTON WIDEHEAD

The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

redprospector

Climate Change???
Happens 4 times a year around here.  :D
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azmtnman

Quote from: Magicman on October 26, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
My sawmill's bumper sticker is getting "long in the tooth" and needs replacing.


 
But the message is the same:    TREES ARE AMERICA'S
                                              RENEWABLE RESOURCE

I like the bumper sticker but I'm really admiring that log!
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Magicman

Quote from: azmtnman on October 27, 2015, 12:11:23 AMI like the bumper sticker but I'm really admiring that log!
What, this old thing?  LINK
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Brad_bb

When learning timber framing, I was told to plant three trees for every one you use. I do and that is just good resource management. Climate is always changinging.  I don't believe man is a significant contributor.  As a scientist myself, I have not seen the evidence nor do I think there would be sufficient data to validate such a theory. The proven falsification of data by the first global warming scientists undermined a lot of credibility.  Yet many lay advocates today aren't even aware of this.  "Global warming" or "Climate change" continues to be driven by a political-economic agenda. 
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johnnyllama

Without speaking my personal opinion about "human influence" on climate change, I would say most sawyers on here saw a very small quantity in the overall picture of timber harvesting. Also, in North America we have long accepted and followed reasonable reforestation policies. This is not the case in many countries that are rapidly clear cutting huge areas of tropical rainforest, which the slash is then burned, which causes  problems that should not be ignored reguardless of your political views. It would be different if they were reforesting too but most are not. Just my two cents worth.
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deadfall

One thing to keep in mind, there is a qualitative difference between a forest and a plantation.
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