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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #200 on: June 04, 2017, 10:57:19 am »
ljohnsaw:
That should work as long as the opposite adjacent face is 90 to the reference face. And just to note that the reference face on a tie beam or any horizontal timber is the top, towards the roof.

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Thanks for your kind words.
The only thing I'd like to caution others about is that I usually cut the two halves of the scarf and test fit them together before I cut any other joinery in either timber. If you have to trim one side of the scarf to get it to fit and you've already cut other joinery in the timber, it may shift things off their mark. Once they are together, at the end of your test fit up, you can then consider it one long timber and layout all your other joints.
There are many different types of scarf joints and I have done an ebook on the bladed scarf joint, as well as "how to" videos on layout and cutting of this joint. I hope to market them more some day.

 

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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2017, 11:05:17 am »
May be old hat for some but I find this simply outstanding !


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« Reply #202 on: June 04, 2017, 11:08:55 am »
May be old hat for some but I find this simply outstanding !

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He sure does really good work! He has a passion for it too and that makes all the difference.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #203 on: June 04, 2017, 01:31:40 pm »
That picture was taken 15 years ago, and it was at a Timber Framers Guild project. We took a barn down in one town. Moved it to another town, repaired or replaced all missing timbers, and put it back together again.
I donated a week of my time cutting joints under the direction of the head man just to learn how to do things like that.
And that joint can be cut into a post in a standing barn:

 

 

You just have to understand the step by step procedure to do it.

When anyone ever asks me: "how'd you learn all that stuff?" I always reply "by joining the Timber Framers Guild."

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« Reply #204 on: June 04, 2017, 02:40:10 pm »
How does it work to join the guild as a hobbiest looking to go into it slowly and build a small business?  The more I do and learn the more I want to do it.  I've never built anything that has felt more rewarding.
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« Reply #205 on: June 04, 2017, 03:20:55 pm »
Just answered my own question.  Filling out the application.
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« Reply #206 on: June 04, 2017, 05:00:35 pm »
The final on my tie beam scarfs.  This my last tie beam to cut.  I will have scarf joints in my top plates but they will be a different kind.  Hope you guys enjoy.

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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #207 on: June 04, 2017, 06:55:34 pm »
ljohnsaw, yes, you can use your template on both sides just as you described. Always reference the top edge. It may be tough to reference tbe top when you are laying out on the waste end of a timber. You could clamp a straightedge on the top to reference the template.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #208 on: June 04, 2017, 06:59:38 pm »
I am really enjoining your build. Thanks for the time for the videos. If only I was 20 years younger. :(

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« Reply #209 on: June 04, 2017, 09:59:34 pm »
I am really enjoining your build. Thanks for the time for the videos. If only I was 20 years younger. :(

For the health issues you've had to overcome I think you're doing a fantastic job on your project.  That kind of thing keeps a man going, gives him purpose.  People were meant to create and to build, it's a natural thing for us to do.  I'm glad you're enjoying it, wish I had filmed from the beginning.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #210 on: June 08, 2017, 12:02:41 am »
jimdad07, I've been trying to send you a PM and it isn't going through for some reason, can you send me an email?
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« Reply #211 on: June 08, 2017, 11:30:22 am »
jimdad07, I've been trying to send you a PM and it isn't going through for some reason, can you send me an email?
I have some ideas for you.

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Just found your messages, I do everything in my phone and messages don't show in my notifications.  I'll be there, just cleared it with the boss at home.
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« Reply #212 on: June 10, 2017, 07:33:44 am »
Working on the last tie beam of this project and I have some pretty heavy wane to deal with on the reference face.  Here's how I feel with it:

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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #213 on: June 10, 2017, 09:30:15 am »
That picture was taken 15 years ago, and it was at a Timber Framers Guild project. We took a barn down in one town. Moved it to another town, repaired or replaced all missing timbers, and put it back together again.
I donated a week of my time cutting joints under the direction of the head man just to learn how to do things like that.
And that joint can be cut into a post in a standing barn:

 

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You just have to understand the step by step procedure to do it.

When anyone ever asks me: "how'd you learn all that stuff?" I always reply "by joining the Timber Framers Guild."

If you're not a member and you want to learn more I suggest you join.

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Jim-  Is there a thread somewhere on this forum that discusses the cutting of this scarf, as well as others?  I have lots of questions, but don't want to muck up Jim's build thread with them.

One of the questions I have is that, since I can't see how you cut that scarf joint, what keeps the beams together side to side, sliding out sideways?  Is there some sort of key in the middle of the joint not shown?

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« Reply #214 on: June 10, 2017, 09:35:57 am »

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Jim-  Is there a thread somewhere on this forum that discusses the cutting of this scarf, as well as others?  I have lots of questions, but don't want to muck up Jim's build thread with them.

One of the questions I have is that, since I can't see how you cut that scarf joint, what keeps the beams together side to side, sliding out sideways?  Is there some sort of key in the middle of the joint not shown?

Thanks,

Jeff
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You ask all of the questions you want, there is no mucking up anything.  We're all here to learn together.  A good source of information on scarfs can also be found on TF Headquarters.  He has some good illustrations and explanations there.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #215 on: June 10, 2017, 10:21:06 am »
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« Reply #216 on: June 11, 2017, 03:26:48 pm »
Continuing on with the last tie beam this one covers cutting joist pockets.

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« Reply #217 on: June 13, 2017, 08:33:42 am »
Almost finished with this tie beam.  Had to break up the videos because they would be way too long otherwise.

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« Reply #218 on: June 16, 2017, 08:34:55 am »
THE FINAL TIE BEAM BRACE MORTICE!  I actually cut this one by hand, it almost killed me.

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« Reply #219 on: July 04, 2017, 07:18:18 pm »
Progress has been very slow but I am moving forward.  Got some more stood up and working on getting the last bent finalized to stand it.

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