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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #160 on: January 26, 2017, 04:09:44 pm »
Another nice video.  Did you use the router to cut the housing or did you chisel it out?  I saw you using the little speed square for your router guide to clean up the edge - nice!  Somewhere I saw a monster speed square (might have been HF) that would allow you to do the full width.  Did you ever think of making your own oversize (wooden) speed square for that task?
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #161 on: January 26, 2017, 08:40:11 pm »
keep the videos coming. Some really good info. ;D

I'll keep em coming, weather and busyness turned on me this week.  The next one will be knee braces and the following one will be wall post joinery.  Glad you guys are enjoying them.  If you guys see anything I'm doing wrong, please don't be shy about it.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #162 on: January 26, 2017, 08:46:44 pm »
Another nice video.  Did you use the router to cut the housing or did you chisel it out?  I saw you using the little speed square for your router guide to clean up the edge - nice!  Somewhere I saw a monster speed square (might have been HF) that would allow you to do the full width.  Did you ever think of making your own oversize (wooden) speed square for that task?

I cheated and used the router for the whole thing.  I keep meaning to buy a big speed square and forget every time I go to the hardware store.  The wooden one is a great idea, think I'll do that.  I use a router to cut my tie beam housings also, you'll like that one.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #163 on: January 26, 2017, 09:40:45 pm »
For my joist pockets, I'll probably make a frame template, place that on the beams an just route it out.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #164 on: January 26, 2017, 09:50:09 pm »
For my joist pockets, I'll probably make a frame template, place that on the beams an just route it out.

I tried that as well but found I was quicker with the chisel, think my little Porter Cable router is a touch small.  I have a 3hp Milwaukee router but the bottom plate is broken.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #165 on: January 26, 2017, 10:28:44 pm »
Using a router is quick, if it is powerful enough to make the cut.
Several things you need to watch out for. One is if the timber is rough sawn the dimension my vary and you may need to set the depth of the router bit to the line, not just assume it is 1/2".
Next when you rout out a big area you are removing the support for the router base. Sometimes the router can tip because there isn't enough support. If this happens it maybe necessary to attach an "offset" router base.
Jigs and templates that will support the router are great and can be made to do what you need to have done.
Using a router means you have to have electrical power at the work site. Sometimes that isn't possible and you may have to have a generator going.

Noise and dust are also a concern. Be sure to wear proper personal protection equipment.

Router safety is a must. Some of those bits rotate at 10,000 rpms and can cut you real fast if you get them too close to yourself.
One basic router safety is to not pick it up with the bit spinning. Wait a second until it stops and you reduce the risk to cutting yourself or getting your clothing caught in the spinning bit.

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« Reply #166 on: January 27, 2017, 06:28:21 pm »
First set of cabinets I ever built I was using a cheap Craftsman router.  Tightened the 3/8" rabbitting bit I was using down as tight as I could, that style router has the push button stop for setting your bits.  But came flying out and took a chunk of my right middle finger with it, just skin fortunately.  Moral of the story: use a router with a good collet that has a backer but to tighten the shank in with.  That router went to the garbage after that.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #167 on: January 28, 2017, 02:07:35 am »
I learned on thing when I read the router handbook. The end of the bit shank, just before the cutter has a radius cut to it. If the collet is tightened down on the radius the bit can easily come loose and fall out. To prevent that from happening the author suggested to add a black rubber o-ring around the shank. Slide it all the way up to the cutter, and it will not go all the way up as the radius forces it back down. You insert the bit until the o-ring touches the collet and then you tighten it up. This prevents the bit from being tightened up in the wrong spot.
I put o-rings on all my router bits.

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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #168 on: January 29, 2017, 01:26:47 am »
I learned on thing when I read the router handbook. The end of the bit shank, just before the cutter has a radius cut to it. If the collet is tightened down on the radius the bit can easily come loose and fall out. To prevent that from happening the author suggested to add a black rubber o-ring around the shank. Slide it all the way up to the cutter, and it will not go all the way up as the radius forces it back down. You insert the bit until the o-ring touches the collet and then you tighten it up. This prevents the bit from being tightened up in the wrong spot.
I put o-rings on all my router bits.

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I know the groove you speak of.  I had the bit out of the collet just past that groove and tightened it as hard as I could holding in the tiny little metal stop.  The problem with the stop on that model is you can't put a backer on the collet.  I won't own one now without a backing but for the collet.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #169 on: February 03, 2017, 09:11:36 am »
Nice videos, just found them and enjoyed them very much.   

Regarding templates for using a router to cut housings.  Am I correct that if the template is laid flat on the non-reference face of an out of square timber than the housing will also be out of square?  It would appear to me, for example, that if the timber is 1/8" out of square and the router template is laid flat on that surface and not shimmed parallel to the reference face, then the housing face would be paralell to the out of square surface, not the reference face.  This would result in throwing off the overall assembled dimension, resulting in a joint that is open on one side. Is this correct?
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #170 on: February 03, 2017, 10:07:58 am »
That is correct. Chop it with an axe to within a 1/16", or 1/8" of the line and finish with a chisel or slick. Or kerf it with a circ saw, but be sure to set the depth to the shallower line.
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« Reply #171 on: February 15, 2017, 11:35:00 pm »
Glad you enjoyed them, as soon as the weather breaks I'll be making more on the barn.  I've been working on making some tables, a waste oil burner for the shop and now I'm working on a sawdust burner for the woodshop on the second floor of the barn.  Just trying to stay enthused until I can get back to cutting joinery.
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #172 on: March 02, 2017, 07:37:30 pm »
I was thinking about this discussion this week regarding housings on the non-reference face. As peterpaul mentioned, if the reference face was out of square, then your housing wouldn't be true to the layout. The other issue would be that you need to scoop out the center of the housing so it doesn't force the joint apart as the timber dries. This is hand tool work, unless you use an angle grinder or something like that. Someone asked me if I really chop to within an 1/8". I do. The final clean up is done with my grip choked up on the handle. This housing is 16" wide and 1.5" deep in white oak. First pic is the axe work, second is cleaned up with the 2" framing chisel.

 

  

 
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #173 on: March 02, 2017, 07:53:17 pm »
How is this beam/post going to be oriented?  I can't quite grasp how this housing is going to work with how the tenon is cut.  Also, I see a saw kerf on the back side?  Will that affect the use (was that an error)?
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Re: 28'x50' Barn, broke ground this weekend
« Reply #174 on: March 02, 2017, 08:09:43 pm »
That is the other half of the housing. It hasn't been chopled yet, as it will get done while standing on the other side. This is a purlin post, and the mortise is for an anchorbeam.
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« Reply #175 on: March 04, 2017, 07:21:08 pm »
Thanks for the info Dave.  What I've been doing is outside of convention, I've been using the reference face for my major framing member housings.  I've also been taking extreme care in the milling process to make sure I'm getting my beams very square, makes a huge difference.
I did get the sawmill moved and set back up this week.

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« Reply #176 on: March 12, 2017, 03:18:09 pm »
Couple more timber framing videos.  One was a request from a YouTube creator to explain some of the process, sorry about the audio on that one.  Another is one on making pegs.  If there's anything you guys think is wrong, let me know.



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« Reply #177 on: March 21, 2017, 07:30:21 pm »
I relayed a lot of information I learned here into this one.  There's a good sized channel that picked my barn videos up and asked for more info.  Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere guys, especially Jim if you're lurking around.

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« Reply #178 on: May 02, 2017, 12:57:57 pm »
I have put this one up in the milling thread but figure some of you might keep to the timber framing section.  I was out this past weekend cutting timbers for the barn.  Waiting for logs has been the largest factor in how much time this build is taking, sometimes waiting six months for logs.  Well I came across a place willing to let me buy timbers on an as needed basis.  I even get to select the trees and cut them myself.  There's more than enough to finish this barn and the price is half what I was paying.  The land owner is even skidding them out for me and loading them for free!  Here's some of them I cut last weekend:

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« Reply #179 on: May 04, 2017, 09:31:35 pm »
This has to be the rainiest spring we've ever had.  I'm going nuts with beams ready to cut joinery in and no way to do it in the dry, I don't want to ruin my tools...9 out of the 10 day forcast coming up is rain...rain...rain and more rain.  I'm going to have to setup tarps and some tents I guess.
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