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My Grandpa diet
« on: July 29, 2015, 06:51:49 pm »
Those of you that have met me in person would hardly recognize me.  I got on the scales this morning and weighed in at 190.  That's some 70 pounds lighter than I weighed 12 years ago. And I did it on my own "grandpa" diet.

I've done a lot of research and found so much contradiction in diet studies that I have concluded most of it is just junk science.  There are studies that study studies that expose flawed sampling and poor scientific practices. 

Here is my non-scientific study. Pretty simple.  Man fell out of a tree in some distance past and his tail popped off and he started walking upright.   He eat anything he could catch or gather.  He was a scavenger.   Time past and he became a hunter gatherer and them a farmer and fisherman, etc.   Things changed but the food he eat was essentially the same - depending on food avaliable.   

Up until about 1900 most people produced most of their own food.  Then came industrialization,  trains, refrigeration,  urban living.   Our foods begin to be modified - mostly to make it possible to transport and distribute.   Then about WWII,   we started to see some real artificial foods with artificial colors and taste.  From the 50's on we see the industrialization of food production.  Corn and soybeans are made into a gazillion products.  Corn into suger made sweet products abundant and cheap.    Old foods like meat, eggs, milk, and lard is bad for you.  The new poly this and that good for you.

Humm?  Ever wonder why obesity was not an issue before 1900? Seldom seen up into the 1950's? And now it's an epidemic?  Could it be that human beings have lived on basically the same diet for millions of years are now exposed to an abundance of junk food?

So I adopted my own grandpa diet.  If it wasn't something my granda would have eaten when he was growing up,  then it's not good for you.   That's why I eat bacon and eggs and fried apple or potato for breakfast and loose weight!  We eat real butter.  We drink and use raw milk. 

I consume scant little of modern foods - anything with corn syrup is out.  Anything diet is out. 

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Re: My Grandpa diet
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2015, 07:24:33 pm »
good for you on the loss. Sounds like a great diet/food selection.

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2015, 07:27:01 pm »
First: congrats on any substantial weight loss 8).  "studies that study studies".  Well said and true.  Artificial sugars, the rage in the past, not so good now. Diet soda worse for you than real soda (w/sugar not corn syrup - as in craft soda - not your $3 dollar six pack). Margarine no good, use to be butter was bad for you.  Funny how the study vs. study thing carries over into other disciplines.  Take for example an issue here for logging. In the "old days" logs, slash, everything, was left in the creeks, pistols were in the fishing boats. Salmon fishing in the ocean was actually an industry.  Then "science" took over and everything was removed from the creeks. Spawning opportunity down, correspondingly the Salmon runs went down, and so did peoples livelihood. "Better" science came on board and it was time to put back in the creeks logs and boulders - cabled to each other mostly. Sometimes multiple years on the same stretches of water -as cables haven't held up to winter high water like a "log jam"(slash) will.  So now our runs are back up and guess what?  The "who thought this up" protected seals/sea lions are wreaking havoc, camped at the river mouths.  Of course this is from a layman's study ;D

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2015, 07:28:31 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2015, 08:28:49 pm »
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My diet starts at the store. Hit the fresh fruit and vegetables pretty hard. Then meat, eggs, cheese,  milk, etc. Real food you have to prepare.  Skip all the frozen stuff you can and prepared dishes.

Ship everything that has corn sweeter as a base.  Not that corn sweetener is bad, it's just loading you with carbs you don't need. I cut soft drinks out of my diet years ago.  If I get into a situation where I just have to drink something and a soft drink is all that is available, it tastes awful.  Like drinking syrup.  Candy, out.  Better to get nuts and fruit for your sweet tooth and snacks. 

How much to eat.  Try this test. Set down hungry in front of a plate of food. Take a bite of everything and a drink.  Set back a minute.   I'll bet your hunger is satisfied.  Take another round or two and set back a minute.  I bet you feel full. There will likely be half of the food left on your plate.  Eat until your hungry is satisfied and you'll loose weight.   Eat until you're full and you'll stay at the weight you are.  Eat all you can hold and you'll keep gaining weight.

If you're hungry again later, have a palm full of nuts or a piece of fruit.  Many small snacks is better than gorging three times a day.

I eat a big breakfast with a lot of protein.  Then a light lunch and light supper.  I can skip supper and have something like strawberries and ice cream and still loose weight. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2015, 09:29:52 pm »
Gotta have some bread in there too. I suppose that "enriched" flour was not around way back when. I am going to be checking out some grass fed beef. Not much on the veggie part,but like my meat,cheese and bread diet. It has worked for you. And I betcha you feel better too.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2015, 10:17:10 pm »
We have been eating much like you and feel good for it. (No raw milk, we don't produce our own and we can't buy it.) We simply don't like processed foods, we purchase locally produced meat, vegetables and fruit. We are going light on the meat at the moment because so much fresh produce is available in spite of the heat wave.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2015, 10:25:27 pm »
That's right!  I've been eating sugar snap peas, snow peas, string beans, apples, and carrots (all cold and uncooked) at lunch time in place of chips and cookies.  Still have a mean sandwich that I make up in the morning.  I also think that spicy food is good for you. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2015, 02:45:14 am »
Gotta have some bread in there too. I suppose that "enriched" flour was not around way back when. I am going to be checking out some grass fed beef. That much on the veggie part,but like my meat,cheese and bread diet. It has worked for you. And I betcha you feel better too.

It's not been that long ago that wheat flour has become the dormant flour.  Over most of man's history the grains have been barley, oats,  rice and rie.  Also, today's white flour is processed to death. When choosing breads, I like rie bread.  Mary tends to buy heavy multi-grain bread. 

I have to have a little bread but I've tried to cut back because I've come to notice I get symptoms of gluten intolerance.

Granddaughter Brooke did a science fair display of breads and how long they would keep without growing mold.  The homemade white bread molded in a couple of days followed by the store bought heavy grain flour bread.   The store bought white bread never molded.  I guess it dried out before mold could start to form.  Did you ever wonder what was in Wonder Bread?
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2015, 03:16:32 am »
Bibbyman your Grandpa diet remind me of this radio show I listened to a while back.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-july-23-2015-1.3164591/nina-teicholz-s-big-surprise-fat-doesn-t-make-you-fat-1.3164618

See,  this woman could have skipped 10 years of research and come talk to me. 

I've not heard of this lady's work but grab onto all these studies that go against common reason and then see counter evidence presented.  My conclusion is that junk science has been used to support a fake food industry and suppress people from eating home or locally produced food.

In my one man study,  I'd go in for my annual checkup and my cholesterol levels would be good to within range.   Yet looking at my diet,  my blood should be almost all fat. I eat at least a dozen eggs and a pound of bacon or sausage each week just for breakfast.  How can that be?

If you pick and choose studies to believe,   one I read (it may be one the lady in the radio broadcast spoke of) said the cholesterol levels in Eskimos living on almost total fat diet fell in range with Amazon tribe people that had a diet of fish, lean wild animals and fruit and vegetables - almost zero fat.

Keep in mind I lost 60-70 pounds over 12 years.  This is not a crash diet with quick results.  But it took me a good many years to come to my conclusions and put them to practice.  I lost 10 pounds over winter months and another 10 since spring.  But I generally loose weight in the summer months and struggle to keep from gaining it back over winter.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2015, 06:54:56 am »
I suspect you are on to something Bibbyman.

A lot of what was preached about diet seems to be misleading. I was pretty sick with diabetes / blood pressure / cholesterol  a few years back. Not overweight, but clinically diabetic.  It's all under control now, but I've taken to bacon and eggs for breakfast. More protein, a bit of fat, less carbs and sugar. While I'm still on meds at a low level, my bloods are coming back all good, Doc is happy etc. We do go heavy on the olive oil for cooking as no one seems to have anything bad to say about that.

Interesting thing, NZ has bought in new food standards. Basically a "star" rating on what you should eat. Air roasted french fries, 4 out of 5, which is "good", and actually rates better than a sugar filled apple. So yeah, I say to Lil, "want a bowl of health food for supper?". Frozen fries into the air fryer, and we don't add extra salt to most foods, it's all good.

There was a theory that if you ate "fat" then you got fatter. But in reality it seems that it's the total food intake that matters. And sugar is concentrated energy, way too easy to eat too much, and then that gets stored as fat. Where as if you eat a sensible amount of fat, you feel satisfied, and your body quite happily burns it off to give you energy. It's not "stored for later", because you are using it during the day.

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2015, 07:52:16 am »
Humans have thrived all over the world because of our abilities to adapt diet to foods available.   Probably the next best adaptable is the hog. 

One gift of diet that has been of great benefit until recent times is gluttony.   It allows humans to take advantage of a windfall of food.  By stuffing yourself when there is plenty,  it will carry you through the lean times.  But the problem is, we have food available all the time. 

Another is storing fat.  A lot of mammals have very little fat reserve.  Hogs, bears and humans store fat when food is abundant and burn it off when food is less available.   But now we add body fat for no reason. 

In my initial testing done in 2003 I did not have a blood sugar problem. But a few years back I went to the doctor with a bad infection.   My blood sugar levels were out of control.  I was immediately diagnosed as having diabetes and was prescribed pills. After my infection was cleared up,  my blood sugar levels were too low when taking medication and I stopped taking it. My A1c tests always come back slightly elevated but well within safety range.   But to the medical world I'm a diabetic.   I keep getting pamphlets from the insurance company helping me control my diabetes.  Dr keeps telling me to take medication just in case. 

Eating light and more than three times a day keeps your blood sugar from spiking.  Also, avoiding massive intake of sugar. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2015, 08:34:27 am »
A TV show I watched a few years back was talking about comparing old bones of people from "hunter/gatherer" living to bones of people who lived in a wheat farming areas, the person being interviewed was saying that the bone structure of the hunter/gatherer were in considerably better formed and stronger than the wheat farmed area people.

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2015, 08:50:01 am »
Locally we use a HBA1c test, which is a long term indicator.

Over 50 and you are diabetic, and they try and keep you in the 50-60 range with meds.
Under 40 is normal.

My tests are coming back ~47, which is now classed as pre-diabetic. Be careful what you eat, keep up the testing etc. And the meds are working, so I keep taking them. Going to the bacon and eggs diet didn't change that, or my cholesterol, or my weight.

Stored fat is certainly an issue. In days gone by being able to put on a few extra pounds in the good times was a definite advantage if there was a famine. Locally the Polynesian people have a genetic  tendency to put on weight. Now when you live on an Island with limited resources (fish and coconuts) and have to make long sea voyages in a sailing canoe to move home, having a bit of extra body fat was a big advantage. But when KFC came along, and the feast time never ends, they pile on the pounds, and it's a genetic thing that they are "programmed" to do. Takes a lot of will power to go against what your bodies instinct tells you to do.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2015, 08:59:29 am »
Hmmm, wonder if I'm part Polynesian? I definitely have the ability to store extra fat. Used to get rid of it at the drop of a hat when i was a young man, but cannot seem to loose it now no matter how hard I try. I try to eat healthy and don't do much junk at all. My big problem is how much I eat. I manage to eat less for a while and then just binge it right back on. The DanG cooks at work don't help. They pile my plate full. I really need to learn that I don't have to eat it just because it's on my plate. Old habits are hard to break I guess. As kids we are told to eat every thing on our plate and it becomes ingrained. I would dearly love to loose abut 100 pounds or so. I know my knees would surely appreciate it.


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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 09:07:24 am »
Yup, portion size.

If you had to hunt down your food, you were happy if you weren't hungry any more. 

So you need to eat until your aren't hungry, not until you can't eat any more.  If you get hungry again in a couple of hours, that's OK. Have a snack, that's your body saying it needs more food, hunt down a sandwich and carry on.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2015, 06:50:47 pm »
I've got to say I'm surprised so many people relate to the diet argument I'm presenting. .   

I posted the picture below in 2009.

 

"My breakfast; three strips of thick sliced hickory smoked bacon cook until still limp (cut to bite size), two large eggs over easy covered with about a quarter cup of medium hot salsa, burrito size whole wheat tortilla stuffed with Monterey Jack cheese."

I've cut back to two strips of bacon and got tired of the salsa.  I did have a tortilla a couple of times last week.  I've been cutting up a peach lately to round out the menu.

About salt in diet. 

Alton Brown of the cooking show "Good Eats" emphatically states that salt has no link to heart disease or high blood pressure.  There are new studies that have came out supporting the Alton's statements.   Seems another trip to the junk science library.   This notion that salt contributed to high blood pressure started with an old study that noted people with high blood pressure tended to consume more salt than people without high blood pressure.   The conclusion was not a proven fact.  It well be just that people with hypertension crave more salt.  Yet off we go.

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2015, 06:56:20 pm »
And as we age and get older.. and older... we naturally lose weight and get smaller... likely regardless of diet.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2015, 08:06:32 pm »
I did something similiar to what you did and lost 30lbs. or 15% of my weight over about 5 months. Just cut back on what I ate and really watched the sodium. Blood pressure is down 50 points on top and about 40 on the bottom.

I stay away from any frozen meals, except vegetables, very little processed meat such as lunch meat. Cook almost all my own foods. Breakfast is now 1 piece of toast, one or two eggs and sometimes eggo waffles with one egg, butter and molasses for the waffles.

In place of lunch meat I will cook and make my own chicken salad, peanut butter and something sandwich or sometimes just a pack of nabs and some peanuts. As hot as it's been eating a lighter lunch has been easy.

Eat till I am satisfied. Quit eating then. Just because it is really good is no reason to keep eating. If your satisfied stop. Still enjoyed an ocassional bowl of ice cream of a night with some nuts on it. But not two bowls like I had been quilty of. Still enjoy the ocassional hot dog but now it is not weekly.

For the last few years I have not been a big soda drinker or sweet eater. Lately I have been having one Mt. Dew Kickstart. Usually about 10 in the morning.

Alcohol has gone by the wayside. Really enjoyed a bourbon and coke after a hard day but one became two and two became three. None for a year. Enjoyed stopping and getting an Uncle Mike's Harder Lemonade to chug when I got back home after a hard days logging. Four hundred calories that I didn't need.

Feel better and had blood work done this week. All normal. BP was 121/72. No meds to get it lower. Just a diet change.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2015, 09:13:51 pm »
The only way this diet will work is with willpower and a cooperative wife.  I think I have the willpower.   I'm have problems from Mary.

She likes to cook and she likes to fill my plate for me.  She'll head to the kitchen about 5:00 and I'll say,  "I'm not hu hungry. You could fix just a snack."  I'll get an angry reply and she'll cook enough for 8 and put enough on my plate for 2.  I'll eat more than I really wanted and scrape the rest out to the dowg.  That starts another round of angry words.

I kid you not,  at about the time winter was over I announced I had lost 10 pounds over winter. It wasn't 5 minutes later she got up and whipped up a big baking sheet of fudge brownies.   A couple of hours later she dished up a bowl of brownies and ice cream and brought it to me.  Now,  ain't that a blatant attempt to crash my diet! 

Her diet is upside down.  She'll eat nothing for breakfast or a piece of toast. A moderate lunch and then she wants to cook a full supper.  Then she'll generally eat a dessert and snack until bedtime. She thinks she's going to loose weight. 

I've tried to explain that the blood pressure medications make me sick.  By loosing weight and watching my diet,  I can control my blood pressure without medications.   I can also put my shoes on without running out of breath.  I don't want to be fat and on drugs.  I get no reply.  I have no idea what she's thinking.
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2015, 03:10:18 pm »
It is nice to be able to tie your boots without having to fight your belly to do it. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2015, 07:13:30 am »
Numbers.

When the great creator put down the specs for man it went like this, "Let's have a creature that walks upright on two legs,  has two eys high and up front on a swivel base, on and on.  He'll have a blood pressure of 120/80 and and a blood sugar of 4 to 5.7." .  Well, I don't think so.  Every human is their own biological entity.   The  throw in the mix of food we eat, air we breath,  where we live, our genetic composition, our emotions, there is no way it could be that simple.

Our blood pressure is not a static number.   It goes up and down all the time.  I generally test mine 3 times or more to get a couple that are somewhat the same. When I go in for checkup, the fist thing they do is check by blood pressure.   It's going to be 20-30 points higher than I'm reading at home. Near the end of the exam they check it again and it's down to what I'm getting at home.

The A1c test.  I don't think it's the final word, an absolute test of blood glucose level. I've read that you can send the same sample off to different labs and get different results.   There may be conditions with red blood cells in their cycle of replacement that cause false results.  Just saying one test with one method is not enough to make a diagnosis and prescribe treatment. 

For sure, high blood pressure and elevated blood sugar levels should be taken seriously.  Maybe slightly elevated should be taken note of and at least watched carefully.
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I have been on the same breakfast as Bibby since Easter For supper my wife makes meat and vegetables. cut out bread, potatoes and pasta.  Down over 40 pounds and my knee problem disappeared.  Wife is down 20 pounds  eating the food she makes for me.  75% of our meat is wild rabbit, deer  and fish,  most of the vegetables come from our garden.  We use butter liberally.
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2015, 06:18:28 am »
Here you go. Eggs are now not the root of all evil.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/70763544/could-two-eggs-a-day-keep-the-doctor-away

Study by Sydney University of people with type 2 diabetes. Some ate 2 eggs a day, the others didn't. No change in cholesterol or blood sugars. Only effect noticed was a slight improvement in the "good" cholesterol level, but not enough to be significant. (Just enough to get more funding for another study probably  ;) :) )

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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2015, 08:58:41 am »
Bibbyman  - I applaud you.

One of our culture's biggest faults is that we are too quick to think that we know something, and too slow to admit that we don't know what we don't know.  Well done.
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2015, 11:11:31 am »
Bibbyman  - I applaud you.

One of our culture's biggest faults is that we are too quick to think that we know something, and too slow to admit that we don't know what we don't know.  Well done.

Years ago I was sent to a week-long professional development class. At the end we were given a critical review of our understanding of what it ment to be a professional.  My biggest fault was that I always asked why.   I guess a professional should just take orders from the authority above and not ask why. 

That's why I question why food we've eaten for millions of years is now bad for us.  Yet, we are trending sicker and heavier eating new foods.  For sure,  the availability of so may carbohydrates has compounded the problem. 

My Dad was a young adult in the Depression.   He tried to ween himself off of sugar for his coffee become sugar was expensive back then.  But he could only get as far as the tip of a spoon full and couldn't go without suger completely.  Up in his mid-90s, he would poke the tip of the spoon in the sugar bowl and shake off a grain or two or scoop again until he got the exact scant little he had to have.  He also salted everything before he even tasted it.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2015, 08:20:21 am »
My fiancee  and I began a diet 20 days ago. We signed up for a program called nutrimost. It is a little expensive. We received  minerals to put in our water and a weight loss formula drops to put under our tongue 3x day. And a rather extreme diet. 500 calories a day. No fats, oils, carbs or anything. No butter.
    I have lost 22 lbs in 20 days, my fiancee  a little less. I think what is working for me is the diet. I think the supplement and minerals are more hocus pocus than anything.
    Like Bibb says, it's more about training your body and your mind. Learning about foods and how corn sugars are bad for you and how they convince your brain to induce you to eat more. I love food and usually ate like it was Thanksgiving  most days. I rationalized that I was big and worked hard so I needed to eat alot.
    I am striving to lose another 40 or 50 lbs. I already feel better, especially  not having headaches. I'd like to know what was giving me headaches. And I have more energy and my legs feel a little better
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2015, 08:23:15 am »
One good thing we got was a special salt. It's a combination  of pink salt and Hawaiian  salt. Evaporated and not processed. No anti clumping agents. Much better  for you than regular white or even sea salt
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2015, 07:32:08 am »
I'm not a calorie counter but 500 calories per day is a starvation diet.  Obviously you're going to loose weight but what else are you losing?  Muscles also reduce,  brain function,  your nervous system, and who knows what else.  Your body need fiber too. 

I can't point out a more different aproch to weigh loss.  Yours depends on a cocktail mix of vitamins and minerals to try to replace what you'd be getting in natural food. The drops under the tongue are,  I'm assuming,  some kind of pacifier to curb your apatite.   It takes trust in modern science that I don't have.

The diet I describe is based on eating simple foods in moderation and letting my body respond in its own time.  I lost 10 pounds over the winter months and never weighed until spring. I felt I hadn't gained weight but I was pleased to find I had actually lost weight.

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2015, 11:13:59 am »
Bibbyman,
     Yeah I know  what you mean. I regard these supplements as hocus pocus. The real reason for the weight loss is the starvation diet. We are limited to protein and veggies and fruit. And only certain ones.
     I do appreciate  this program tho because it made me look at what I was eating. Do you know there's corn sugar in ketchup even? It's given me more ideas about raising my own food, or at least buying what I need to can or freeze.

   Also, I would like to start keeping a steer around to butcher, and even a hog maybe. It's been years since I did it. But I have a new concern about what they feed these animals. Used to be that not many people got cancer. I'm convinced  that the steroids and other feed supplements are responsible for many cancer issues today
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2015, 01:00:49 pm »
I don't know about cancer statistics.  I think there is a lot of things making the numbers so high.  One thing is, people are just living longer.  Up until the 1900s, there were almost yearly waves of epidemics sweeping the country that would wipe out a significant percent of the population. These people died of something else before they devoped cancer.   Also,  people probably died of cancer that was undiagnosed.  They just called it something else.  Then we've not had a war that's reduced our population as did the wars until the Korean War.   Then diagnosis has advanced a lot in past 50 years.  People are diagnosed with cancer and treated that may have outlived it otherwise. 

Food is another double edged sword.   I sure don't like to eat the food that's been chemically enhanced but on the other hand we have a far healthier food inspection and distribution system than 50 years ago.

It's not just food we are being exposed to that effect our health.   I walk into Wall-Mart and can only stay so long.  The smells of all the products - not just the scented products that are the worst but also the plastics and chemicals.   We bring this stinky sruff home and live with it in a closed environment.  Most of these products didn't exist in Grandpa's era.  The houses were drafty and in the hot months the doors and windows were open.
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2015, 04:15:10 am »
Eating out...

For Grandpa,  eating out probably ment he packing a lard bucket with a couple of boiled eggs, a biscuit, a piece of local fruit,  and some kind of hard garden vegetable like a carrot, reddish or pickle.  There were public events like pie suppers,  country fairs, weddings and such.   On the rare occasion he traveled,  he'd likely stop in at a country store and buy a linburger sandwich and a quart of Schlitz beer.  In my memory of him, he never mentioned eating in a cafe or restaurant.  He probably did but it wasn't a common event.

Today we think nothing of eating out. We grab a cup of coffee and a couple of doughnuts at Casey's, swing through the fast food place for lunch, then go out to supper in the evening. 

If you eat out a lot and eat a lot when you eat out,  you're not going to make it on the Grandpa diet.

The most effective way to correct this is to not eat out.  That's not likely to happen. Maybe cut down on eating out.

Think about where you eat, what you order and how much you eat.  Say no to the buffet.  You'll be tempted to "get your money's worth".  We avoid them like fast food places with a playground.   Choose the lighter meals on the minu. If they offer a 6oz steak, 12oz or the gut buster 24oz,  chose the 6oz. That's as much meat as you need.  When the baked potato looks like it took first place at the Idaho state fair,   just eat a small portion of it. Your mom is not there telling you to clean your plate. Order off the senior menu if you qualify or can get by with it.  We've even ordered off the children's menu.

Restaurants serve an insane amount of food.  One place we like to eat at serves easily twice as much as a person  needs to eat in their lunch specials. We'll ask for go boxes and take more than half home.  Then we'll have the other half for supper. Often times Mary will discard the sides and buns and make a salid. When we do stop at a fast food place, we order off the value menu and just have water to drink. There is not one of the number special package deals that are not more than you need to eat and likely more than you need in a day.  Add the big soft drink with refill to go and you've really went over the top.

Better to just eat at home.  Lunch may be a fold over light sandwich on rie bread and some baked chips washed down with unsweet  tea. Add a piece of fruit.  For supper,  you should see empty real estate on your plate. One scoop,  not three of each offering.  No going back for seconds. 

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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2015, 04:39:07 am »
I don't mind the "All you can eat", I just pick the good stuff and only eat what I want.

Our favourite is a Mongolian BBQ place. You choose your meat, vege, oil and spices and they cook it up in front of you. You know what went into the meal because you picked it out yourself. Beef, pork, chicken, seafood, and whatever veges you fancy, then some olive oil and chili etc and it's good to go. You don't even need to add noodles / rice / chips / bread etc if you don't want to.

On a road trip the kids want to stop at McDs. No way if Dad's driving. Lara knows this, and doesn't ask. Taylor asks, but happily eats her Subway when we do stop. At least that's just a sandwich. pretty much like you might make at home.
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2015, 08:19:52 am »
When we are traveling we eat our cereal breakfast in the camper.  Then it is one meal, usually late noon/early afternoon.  A "to go" box is the next day's noon meal.  Skipping the evening meal is our normal.
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2015, 08:42:52 am »
We went to see ZZ Top on Thursday.  So we went to a Golden Corral beforehand.  I didn't do too bad. One plate of salad. A plate of hicken, small piece of steak, and some green beans. For dessert it was fresh strawberries  and cantaloupe.
   It was far less than I used to eat there  ;)
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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2015, 07:18:18 am »
Bibbyman,
     Yeah I know  what you mean. I regard these supplements as hocus pocus. The real reason for the weight loss is the starvation diet. We are limited to protein and veggies and fruit. And only certain ones.
     I do appreciate  this program tho because it made me look at what I was eating. Do you know there's corn sugar in ketchup even? It's given me more ideas about raising my own food, or at least buying what I need to can or freeze.

   Also, I would like to start keeping a steer around to butcher, and even a hog maybe. It's been years since I did it. But I have a new concern about what they feed these animals. Used to be that not many people got cancer. I'm convinced  that the steroids and other feed supplements are responsible for many cancer issues today

You mentioned ketchup having corn sugar,   got to watch that salad dressing two. It's oil (fat) and sweetners too. As much as 75 calories a tablespoon.  So you think you're doing the right thing by eating salad but if you dump a lot of dressing on it, you're not savings nearly as much as you're thinking.  It tastes good because your body craves the fat and carbs. The fat is likely some manufactured poly something or other also. Better to eat it dry or get the soup instead.
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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2015, 08:25:17 am »
Bibby you're right again.  We like  Olive Garden  salad dressing. I was dismayed to notice it has corn sugar.  I actually  make a great tasting  dressing that many like.
    Right now we cannot consume oils. I use red wine vinegar on salads
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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2015, 08:41:39 am »
Say,  how is your skin reacting to this diet?  Do you have enough loose skin to make a set of luggage?  :)
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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2015, 05:05:13 pm »
No, actually my skin doesn't  feel "stretched tight" as Kathy says. But it is not loose.
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« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2015, 05:13:37 pm »
I ran across this collection of photos on another forum today.  Great pictures taken from 1939 to 1949.  Entertaining to look at in themselves but note not a single overweight person in the pictures even though many of the pictures display an abundance of food. 

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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2015, 05:33:16 pm »
Thank you Bibby.   :)
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« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2015, 06:25:10 pm »


You mentioned ketchup having corn sugar,   

Hunts generally doesn't have corn syrup. But we found in Marden's stores in Maine a Hunts bottle size with corn syrup. So I suspect it depends on what part of the country that bottle of Hunts was made. If you go to the regular Shop and Save or Haniford's it's without the corn syrup. Same with soft drinks, up here corn syrup. In some states none. A lot of home cooking and candies was made with corn syrup even in my grandma's day. Grandma liked butter, she made her own and sold some.

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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2015, 11:48:15 am »
I was poking around looking at sugar consumption over history. There are a number of places to look up the figures. Here is one that breaks it down pretty simple  - and it's shocking.   The average person a 100 years ago consumed 4 pounds of sugar a year. Today, the average person consumes 1/4 to 1/2 pounds per DAY!  Or 150-170 pounds per year.

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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2015, 05:52:49 pm »
As some of you are aware, Mary and I have taken up Cowboy Action Shooting.   June of last year we attended a national match in New Mexico.  While there we bought some real, period correct cowboy duds.   I had to suck it up a bit to button up my pants.  We wore them again last fall.  I put them on this morning as we were going to a regional match.  I was pleasantly surprised I didn't have to suck up to button the top of the pants.  In fact,  I could slip both hands in the top and still have a loose fit.
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« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 06:47:49 pm »
I made two diet mistakes today.  The first was skipping my protein breakfast and eating a BIG bowl of cereal.  I felt somewhat full but my hunger wasn't satisfied.   About 9:00 I was starving and starting to feel bad.  I found a little something to eat until lunch.   

Then, somehow double filled chocolate cookies made it into the house. (Mary is evil.  The more I make progress on my diet,  the more junk she brings to me.) I ate one.  From the first bite, it tasted awful.  The filling was just whipped sugar.   I know it sounds strange but once you get over consuming large amounts of sugar,   you can't stand something really sweet.
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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2015, 07:55:01 pm »
I understand.  I doubt that I could eat more than one bite from a candy bar.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2015, 04:39:32 am »
How's everyone doing on their diet plan?

I have to admit I've put a few pounds back on. We're getting more serious about retirement and have been doing very little sawmill work.  We are traveling a lot more that means eating out more. 

Thanksgiving.

Daughter-in-law fixed enough for 20 people on Thanksgiving.  Then another big meal the next evening because nobody wants to eat leftovers. She sent about 10 pounds (exaggeration) of pumpkin cheesecake home with us.

Then Mary fixed dinner on following Sunday for son Gabe and girls plus new grandson-in-law.  Eat leftovers all week. But that didn't stop Mary from baking something every day.

I'm trying my best to keep on my Grandpa diet and get some exercise every day.  Although I've put on a few pounds,  my blood sugar has remained remarkably good.  My blood pressure has suffered a little but staying "good".

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Traveling in a car and eating out get to me real quick, I usually clean my plate and start suffering for it about 10 miles down the road.

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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2015, 01:10:03 am »
About 5 years ago my wife was having some issues with her heart so I drove the 160 + miles and took her to a cardiologist.  The man walks into the room with her lab results in his hand and the first words out of his mouth were, "stop eating so much pasta."  The next words out of his mouth were, "Don't look at me like that.  Everybody with triglycerides this high eats way too much pasta." 

Long story short, we took him seriously and cut  the pasta to once or twice a month and then it was whole wheat. We started eating a diet very much like Bibbyman 's grandpa diet.  To date, my wife is 50 pounds lighter and I'm 40 pounds lighter. 

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« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2015, 05:06:45 am »
Same scenario with butter vs margarine. The fad years ago was pushing margarine. These days it's back on butter and actually some dairies reporting shortages. I don't know where though ;D , the only time when butter (and it will be a brand name) is gone from the shelves is when it's on for $3.00 a lb versus $5.50 . When the $3 stuff is sold, there's still the $5.50 stuff on the shelf.  ;D 8) You can't put much faith or acceptance in talking heads on the radio. Sometimes just bla bla bla is news. :D

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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2016, 04:12:07 am »
Same scenario with butter vs margarine. The fad years ago was pushing margarine. These days it's back on butter and actually some dairies reporting shortages. I don't know where though ;D , the only time when butter (and it will be a brand name) is gone from the shelves is when it's on for $3.00 a lb versus $5.50 . When the $3 stuff is sold, there's still the $5.50 stuff on the shelf.  ;D 8) You can't put much faith or acceptance in talking heads on the radio. Sometimes just bla bla bla is news. :D

Mary buys raw milk, farm eggs and in season produce from a local farmer.  He has to be well in his 70s but milks 6 cows by hand, his wife pretty much runs the egg business,  and he puts our a big truck patch every year, raises strawberries,  has fruit orchard,  makes maple syrup on and on. His sons talk like he eats about a pound of butter a day. They are likely exaggerating but I'm sure he eats more butter than recommend.

I'm still doing well on my grandpa diet despite Mary's efforts to wreck it.  On these nasty winter days, she'll get the urge to bake some dessert.    She got to where she was baking something every day. Far more than we needed or could use.  It's impossible to smell something baking and have it available and not indulge.  I finally had to tell her to stop.  She did for about a week. Now she's decided she can bake breads. Not  nearly as diet destructive as desserts.

Despite my efforts to keep my blood pressure down through diet and exercise,  I've had spikes in blood pressure.   I think I've found the cause.   Seems each time we eat at this one cajon catfish restaurant,  my blood pressure jumps to a serious level.  I'm thinking they must use MSG or something in their food.
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2016, 04:35:32 am »
Here are three diet items I do that maybe helps and I'm sure doesn't hurt.

1) I drink a lot of green tea.  Almost exclusively throughout the day.  I make it hot in the microwave and drink it hot about six months of the year.   As the weather heats up,  I have hot green tea with breakfast and then make another cup and let it set and cool.  Then I dump it in a glass with ice. I brew another cup and it's cool by the time I'm ready for another glass. Suppose to be a lot of health benefits to green tea.  I think they're on to something. 

I'm not particularly fond of green tea but I'm convenienced it's helped keep my blood pressure down and it's one DanG sight healthier than medications. 

2) Raw apple cider vinegar with mother.  I get up in the night and guzzle a big glass of water with about a table spoon of ACV.   Not real tastie but is said to be a general healt benefit.  1001 claims with some studies backing some of them up.  Old time cure for urinary problems.  It also is a natural insect repellent as it changes the chemical balance of your sweat. 

3)  Cinnamon is said to stimulate the liver to moderate blood sugar levels.   I sprinkle a little on my toast and for sure on my fried apples.   Test have been inconclusive that cinnamon actually works to lower blood sugar but my blood sugar has been holding in a lower range.   
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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2016, 04:42:23 am »
I've heard of that acv being nothing but good, sure doesn't taste it though! lol

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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2016, 01:55:45 pm »
I've heard of that acv being nothing but good, sure doesn't taste it though! lol

Some claims are apparently true, but a lot is quackery to. And too much can be damaging to your stomach to.

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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2016, 04:24:15 pm »
You are supposed to rinse good after as the ACV eats away at the enamel on your teeth.
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« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2016, 06:02:21 pm »
Yes that to.

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« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2016, 09:49:00 pm »
Yes, be careful with ACV and dilute it with lots of water.  I've been drinking it for years and haven't rinsed after drinking it.  I get dental checkups every 6 months and if I've lost any enamel,  they haven't mentioned it.



Vinegar is power stuff. I tried a rust removal trick using one part white vinegar to four parts water to remove rust from steel. I bought most of an old shotgun at flea market price. It was heavily crusted with rust. I use an ultrasonic cleaner to help.  As you see from video, it really dissolved the rust.
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« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2016, 07:00:41 am »
I'll have to mention it to my little sister, she uses it as salad dressing!

I can't see the video, but I think it's just my phone being slow.  Will check it later from computer next time I get on.
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« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2016, 08:14:39 am »
My folks used vinegar on cooked spinach.  The kept a little decanter of vinegar on the table as long as I can remember.   I started noticing dad would measure out a tea spoon full and put it in a glass of water that he drank with his meal.  I asked him why but he didn't explain.

My Aunt had reoccurring gaul stones.  The doctor recommend she add vinegar to her diet.

It must be getting popular.   The only place we could find raw apple cider vinegar was at Amish and Mennonite country stores.  Now Walmart is stocking it.
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« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2016, 08:33:55 am »
I put vinegar on cooked greens, cabbage, strawberrys and baked beans.
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« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2016, 03:15:00 pm »
While you folks eat spinach with vinegar on it we have always had cider vinegar on ostrich fern fiddle heads as they are picked fresh this time of year in the woods. I don't think they are quite up yet in my woods. We grow Swiss chard and I have grown spinach, but it heads too soon compared to chard.  :)

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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2016, 07:29:27 pm »
My parents had a decanter of vinegar too. They used it on dandelions greens. I really don't remember about spinach. That was one of the few things that I got away with not eating.Two of the grand kids LOVE cucumbers and vinegar.
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« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2016, 08:25:06 am »
If you watch Netflix,   check out a video named "Suger Coated".   It's a commentary on the health risk associated with the increase in sugar consumption and the politics involved.   
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« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2016, 09:56:56 am »
Secrets of Sugar is another done by CBC.

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« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2016, 10:02:24 am »
Well done (no pun).  ;D

Your success is inspiring; I hope sharing my success isn't seen as a thread highjack.:

I quit eating gluten, white pork meat, and dairy products (except butter) two years ago; I quit eating eggs a month ago, and I don't miss them (a bit) because it seems to be reducing  inflammation in my system. Inflammation is a huge culprit of pain. 

I wrap my grass-fed burgers in lettuce  smiley_thumbsup

Reducing the acidic foods raises the pH ratio in most bodies; many cancers thrive in acidic environments.

Funny how the pork industry uses "the other white meat" as a marketing slogan when white pork meat is acidic; red pork meat has a higher ph.

Modern dairy products and wheats coat the intestines and restrict the flow of good nutrients entering into the bloodstream. The brain needs clean blood to carry oxygen and nutrients for optimal thinking.

Almond and cashew milk have been suitable replacements.

Eat whole foods and read the labels.

I recommend getting the heavy metals out of your system too; (chelation). I take zinc tabs and a cap of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water every AM.
 
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« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2016, 02:38:56 pm »
Here you go. Eggs are now not the root of all evil.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/70763544/could-two-eggs-a-day-keep-the-doctor-away

Study by Sydney University of people with type 2 diabetes. Some ate 2 eggs a day, the others didn't. No change in cholesterol or blood sugars. Only effect noticed was a slight improvement in the "good" cholesterol level, but not enough to be significant. (Just enough to get more funding for another study probably  ;) :) )

Here's what I have found about eggs; the eggs were fine for many people until the egg-whites were turned into "Trojan Horses" for the immunization industries. Depending on how many immunizations a person has been given...the body may not be able to differentiate the egg-white (good food) from an injected virus. The body reacting to viruses may be normal (even beneficial) in the natural sense....but every time egg white is injested our bodies could be going into a white blood cell manufacturing (trama) mode.

For older people or a so-called free range children; egg whites may not be a problem, but for people like myself; with 8 or 9 pages of shot records, eggs were causing problems I didn't know about until I got off them.

An egg-white hiatus may be worth a try.
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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2016, 05:45:07 am »
We are taking retirement seriously.  That means the mill has weeds growing up inside and the log lot has grown over in grass.  That also means Mary and I are traveling more and eating out more.

Eating out is a diet killer. We still try to pick our cafes and eat light.

Sunday we were on the road and made an effort to make it to a roadside cafe in a small village.  But we got there too late and the parking lot was full of church goers. So we decided to drive on. Got about 20 minutes from home and Mary suggested we pull into a mini-mall and get some Chinese takeout.  Ok.  She got an order of sweet and sour soup and two lunch size chicken something or other dinners. 

We got home about 2:00 and split the soup and had egg roll each.  Before soup was totally consumed,  I added 3-4 dumpling size chunks of chicken and a couple of spoons full of rice.  I was full.

It wasn't long before I started feeling like crap.  I took my BP and it was elevated to the danger point.  I took it again about 8:00 and it was way over the danger point - 186/118.  I have some medication left and took 1/4 of one pill. This is usually enough to knock my BP back down.

I went to bed and tossed and turned until past midnight.  My BP  was still dangerously high. I took another 1/4 pill. By morning my BP had fallen some.  I got out and took three good walks during the day and tried to keep active despite feeling like crap.  I don't know if it was the high BP or the medication because the medication makes me feel like crap too.

By afternoon I was getting better BP scores. I slept reasonably well. Yesterday my BP continued to fall and by mid-afternoon dropped to really good point.

So....  what d'hell happened?   I suspect MSG in the Chinese food. 

My BP spikes from time to time and I started to associate it with eating at a cajun catfish place.  They have cajun seasoning on the table and I coat my catfish with it.  Also my roasted corn on the cob and put sum in my red beans and rice.  The last couple of visits I have left the cajun seasoning in the little boat. There is probably some still in the food served but not the overdose I had been getting.
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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2016, 08:59:43 am »
Chinese food? Follow the food delivery truck and the same truck stops at the chinese food places. They just season it diffeant.
MSG?? I have no idea how to prove it is used,but when I eat chinese food I start to sneeze. Just like eating at the stepson house. They serve prepared food and that will get me sneezing too.
We don't eat alot of prepared foods. Pizza does not seem to bother me. We don't eat out much in a sit down restaurant. Seem like italians and pizza is our on the road food. There is place called Red Barn that we go to. They deep fry chicken and sea food. That is wicked good.
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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2016, 09:30:57 am »
Although more of our foods are coming from China and this will likely increase,  obviously,  I'm pointing a finger at MSG. 

While in don't believe in studies, here is one that is condemning of MSG.

http://universityhealthnews.com/daily/nutrition/7-alarming-msg-side-effects/

Then you can find testimony that MSG actually lowers blood pressure!  So what to believe?   Mary only knew about the restaurant by recommendation from her sister.  While Mary was waiting for her order, a couple eating there just raved about the food.  They use to eat there all the time but moved so only get there on occasion.  It didn't seem to effect Mary.   Maybe I'm 1 in 1000 that MSG effects?
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« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2016, 10:01:38 am »
You're not the only one. MSG makes me dizzy, blurs my vision, and gives me the squirts.
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