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Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« on: July 11, 2015, 08:14:46 pm »
All in one.... I need a chop saw to get rid of my slab wood.
But i all so need an edger. And it sure would be nice to have a saw to cut BIG angles...
So I think I will build an all in one saw....
I have large liner bearings.
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 08:34:57 pm »
It looks dangerous to me. How are the legs going to be fastened to the table?
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 08:39:16 pm »
It look dangerous to me. How are the legs going to be fastened to the table?

Legs are far from being done... All treaded rod goes all the way across the table and through the legs.
It will be a very sturdy table when I'm finished with it. I over do things not under do them.
The blades will have guards and all...
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 09:51:42 pm »
The man is gonna build himself a buzzsaw.   :o
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 01:53:19 am »
It just drives me nutz to see saw blades like those with paintings on them, hanging on a restaurant wall.  I love my buzz saw.  I got it for $100 from an 80 year old farmer.  Probably the best $100 I ever spent.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 04:56:45 am »
Dreaming all night and I cant sleep.
I build thing on the fly. Looking over what I have and making trips to the junkyard to find new things.
I would love to build this using two blades on the edger part but finding or making something
that would let one blade slide for adjustment is tough.
Some maybe one blade with a power feeder is what I will do. Still dreaming.
In about 12 hours I'm off to the flea market to look for more ideas.
This is a rough drawing looking down from the top of one of my ideas.

 

 
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 07:45:32 pm »
I got a long ways to go but I think I got it layed out the way i want it...
There will be a line shaft run under the table to run everything.
Still not sure it it's going to be gas or electric.
Lots more braces to put under the table for the legs yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 10:07:45 pm »
Are you going to swage that edger/buzz blade? Those four other blades in the first post are crosscut, right?
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2015, 12:02:18 am »
   

 

I think a nice slab table and chainsaw will be less handling..  take the slabs from the sawmill to the slab table.  I looked at everyone's slab tables on the forum.. and designed this one.  It's do a few mods.. better bottom boards.. some lengthwise crossbracing.  Meant to be chainsaw & fork lift friendly for easy loading and chainsawing of stacks of slabs... spaced braces for chainsawing stacks.. no measuring needed.  I'd feel safer w/ the saw in my hands.. be safe. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2015, 02:28:52 am »
Thanks for all the ideas. Yea the saw blades will need swaged and resharpened and set.
Thats no problem. I need to do more than just cut slabs but I sure do like that slab table.
The part of my machine that will cut the slabes will have a slideing table off the liner bearings.
I will put a rotating blade cover on the blade that retracks back with each cut.
The long rip side will have a lot more rollers all around the blade.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2015, 08:33:27 pm »
It took me all day 14 hours just to put the rollers on and I still got the small rollers to cut and install.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2015, 08:50:10 pm »
Very nice. Looks like a table a Magicman would use to saw a goat woman in half.  :)
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2015, 09:23:08 pm »
I think i got it all , but i cant figure out how that one wheel bandsaws going to work out :D :D
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2015, 09:58:16 pm »
Thanks on the slab table.. built it so my brother could keep up the slabbing.. I have hired help on the weekends now.   It's starting to take shape.. looking good.  How many HP is needed to make those blades sing?   


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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 06:50:27 am »
The one wheel band saw was bought just like that from our local junk yard.
I was lucky to have a lower wheel in my stash. When I put in the lower wheel
I will give it plenty of adjustment because I also got 77 new starrett band saw blades from the same junk yard.
But they came in many different sizes and I want to use as many as I can.

I'm still up in the air on what HP I'm going to need to run this thing.
In my stash I have these options.
5 Hp electric.
20 Hp onan gas
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2015, 10:32:55 pm »
Very nice. Looks like a table a Magicman would use to saw a goat woman in half.  :)
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2015, 11:59:13 pm »
Where is @weiseyboy or @meadowsmiller when you need them... ;) Looks a lot like The bench saws they use down under. Another member, Jim King, built a similar saw but made his rollers out of some exotic hardwood (not exotic to him as he lived in S America).
There's a lot of teeth on those saws...you may need more ponies you think, depending on what you'll be sawing with them.
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2015, 03:10:29 am »
Looks like a good setup, I'm very interested in how it turns out. Been toying around with some ideas , but not with blades that big.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2015, 09:08:44 pm »
It sure took a lot of time cutting the rollers down to fit around the blade.
I put a wood liner right next to the blade and a strip of steel on top.
The blade has about 1/4" of wood protection from the steel.
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2015, 09:36:01 pm »
Just curios how your going to feed lumber into this , by hand or build a power feed system. and some hold down rollers. you probably  know but them saws have some sever rideup and kick back.
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2015, 11:24:06 pm »
You sure get a lot of ideas and whip things up in short order.

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2015, 05:00:43 am »
Just curios how your going to feed lumber into this , by hand or build a power feed system. and some hold down rollers. you probably  know but them saws have some sever rideup and kick back.

There should not be much rideup on a blade that is pulling down.
But I do want to put a power feeder and a Zero-max on the blade with the rollers.
I will probably also put a row of kickback teeth on it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2015, 09:20:37 am »
The ride up doesn't happen at the front of the blade. it happens at the back of the blade if the kerf tries to close up. installing a splitter helps and the kickback teeth are a must. But the saw can still kick a board back at the start of a cut before it reaches the splitter.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2015, 12:13:21 pm »
The ride up doesn't happen at the front of the blade. it happens at the back of the blade if the kerf tries to close up. installing a splitter helps and the kickback teeth are a must. But the saw can still kick a board back at the start of a cut before it reaches the splitter.

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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2015, 02:33:00 pm »
About a eight or ten inch tall one will work, dont know how a long one will work, it might. the reason i mentioned  about the kick back as i have been right next to a guy that got killed . when a flitch rode up and came right back into his chest. killing him, and another guy got crippled the same way.   so that said , a riving knife or splitter and anti kickback hold downs would be a good idea. just dont want my new friends getting hurt.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2015, 06:16:08 pm »
I have contemplated something similar to this but using a large bandsaw instead. I missed an opportunity on a 36" industrial bandsaw a couple weeks ago. He wanted $130 for it.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2015, 06:34:17 pm »
... I missed an opportunity on a 36" industrial bandsaw a couple weeks ago. He wanted $130 for it.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2015, 08:54:16 pm »
Safety will be addressed on this machine... I'm to old to get hurt...
And I really appreciate any and all ideas or suggestions.

Today I worked all day on the slide table. Looks like it will take at least another day of work just on that.
First picture the table is in... second picture it out. Third picture is the liner bearings.
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2015, 08:58:09 pm »
Can anyone one tell me what this blade was used for or whats it's good for.
I'm hoping I can use it. It looks like it has negative angle or rake.

 

 

 

 
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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2015, 12:07:56 am »
Looks like this might be a great blade for this spot.
I found this from google...

negative tooth angle to help prevent saws from self-feeding.

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2015, 12:22:20 am »
I had one similar that my sharpener guy changed somewhat the last time he ground it.  I'm betting it was just for buzzing firewood too. I'd say it's for crosscut.
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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2015, 12:43:05 am »
My best guess is those teeth originally looked like this. I can't imagine a saw filed like that cutting, just gnawing wood.
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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2015, 03:13:53 am »
Good rendition of what the teeth may have started out like when saw was new.

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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2015, 07:23:07 am »
OP, please be extra careful. Saws like that scare the livin hell out of me due to that is how one of my grandpaws got killed. Piece of the blade broke off, hitting him in the head.

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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2015, 09:27:29 am »
Well I'll let you all know how it works out. I'm going to give the blade a try.
I'm pretty good at sharpening things so if it work half way I think I can make it work...
I looks like it will be a few weeks before I get this thing done.
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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2015, 12:43:29 pm »
Good rendition of what the teeth may have started out like when saw was new.
Every trim saw we had was this type of solid tooth saw. We had 25 - 30 of them. I could do a decent job of sharpening them. We had a saw filer that could make razor from those tips. I learned from him. He had Coke bottle bottom glasses, he filed by feel.
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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2015, 01:33:04 pm »
I bought a brand new Foley-Belsaw Sharp-All, still in the case, 15 miles away from Craigslist last year for a fraction of the new price.  Durn it, I need to get that shop building up.  I've run out of room to store stuff.
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« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2015, 06:46:39 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2015, 03:41:04 am »
I picked up this Honda at the junkyard yesterday.
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2015, 03:51:09 am »
I love this old Lincoln Weldenpower welder.
It's helping me out today because this saw is way to far from the shop to use my normal welder.
It's an oldie but goodie.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2015, 03:00:10 pm »
 my father had something similar years ago for edging or splinting but it was set up with a track and a light table that the boards set on, if i remember right it had peg holes for each inch so to keep boards square. I know it would take a 8 ft 6x6 and cut it into boards, that is the only thing i ever see it used for, almost like a bolter but longer table.
 For cutting  off we had wooden framed swing saws, and almost think that would be better, but i know the safety police will say that is a no no but a lot of guys used them there whole life and never got hurt on them!  I thought about setting up a swing saw using a  big miter saw blade which would give you 5 inch deep cut.
 There was also a big cast iron table saw, 4ft by 8ft with a 18inch blade or so that was used to split boards into clapboards, no i never remember any guards or hold downs but am sure that could have used some, that table saw had i think 5 hp tecumseh engine on it, but was geared up or down with flat belts.
 I think you need to be thinking about blade speeds now.
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2015, 09:14:31 pm »
The one big main reason I'm building this is to cut 45 angles from 8x8's
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2015, 09:25:21 pm »
I don't see that potential built into your design, but am sure you have it in your head. ;)
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2015, 08:28:56 am »
I don't see that potential built into your design, but am sure you have it in your head. ;)
Most of the 45's will be on short 2 foot longs.
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2017, 09:37:46 pm »
What happened with this project, K?
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2017, 02:40:42 am »
The Amish seen it and I sold it for more than I thought it was worth.
I thought I could buy a real one for what I got out of it.
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2017, 10:53:58 am »
 :laugh: Cool.  Good job!
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2017, 01:49:11 pm »
I hadn't looked at any of the dates on this post. I was just thinking in my head how in the world has he done all this and the lathe in the last couple weeks!
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2017, 02:00:00 pm »
He probably completed four or five projects during the last couple weeks while he was working on the lathe.   ;D  Kb can start and finish a major fabrication while I'm trying to find my glasses.   ::)

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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2017, 04:52:04 pm »
He probably completed four or five projects during the last couple weeks while he was working on the lathe.   ;D  Kb can start and finish a major fabrication while I'm trying to find my glasses.   ::)
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Re: Homemade edger/trimmer/rip saw/chop saw
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2017, 05:34:58 pm »
I like to keep busy...

Today I hauled 4 loads of rock. I'm redoing a mountain spring.
Then I saw out another octagon twisted log and sat up the mill ready
to do another one tomorrow. Then I took a short brake and stop in
at the junkyard to pickup a chunk of 16" x 24" channel iron to build
another gas powered winch. So I worked on that all afternoon.
I will post picture later of the winch. It's 5:20 and I'm taking a break.

Oh... I forgot I used my homemade band sharper today for the first time.
That took me a while to get it to the angle I was happy with.
But the blade cut like new. I'm happy. Tomorrows another day...
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