What's good, what's bad?

Peter Drouin · March 30, 2015, 06:37:05 PM

When you sawyers cut lumber do you leave some or no wane?
What's good enough for the farm?
What's good to sell?
Is one face good or do you have to have two good faces?
I make #1 and some #3 gets in there, I sell #1 all the time. Farmers will buy #3
So what say you all. :D :D :D

#2&4 get edged.
This is all W Pine.

hackberry jake · March 30, 2015, 07:09:00 PM

Leave number 4 and call it "live edged". It will bring you the most $$$

thecfarm · March 30, 2015, 07:15:17 PM

I would use #2 and 3 too. BUT it depends how "thick" the wane is too. Most of my boards are a full inch,so ½ an inch does not bother me to use. To sell,that might be diffeant. As long as someone knew about it and REALLY understood it. I would not want to make a steady habit of doing it either. Like every board.

Magicman · March 30, 2015, 07:26:57 PM

It depends upon the use, but personally I hate wane.

Framing lumber gets 3 square corners and the wane extending no more than ½ the board on the thin side and ¼ the board on the wide side.

I normally leave no wane on flat lumber but the kiln guy wanted a clear face with both good corners on the Cypress and Willow that I finished sawing today. It will be straight lined before T&G.

Many times the customer will pull lumber that I intend to edge saying that it is "good enough". I am more picky than most customers are.

Dave Shepard · March 30, 2015, 08:07:33 PM

I don't do wane. :D

WDH · March 30, 2015, 08:43:00 PM

Most of my customers will not buy a board with wane.

POSTON WIDEHEAD · March 30, 2015, 08:55:02 PM

Quote from: WDH on March 30, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Most of my customers will not buy a board with wane.

Tell them to leave Wane at home. ;D

ozarkgem · March 30, 2015, 09:05:59 PM

Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 30, 2015, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: WDH on March 30, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Most of my customers will not buy a board with wane.

Tell them to leave Wane at home. ;D

Since the only lumber I have sold is Cedar it runs about 50-50. Some want wane some don't. For my own use if one face is clear and the other side doesn't show I will get by with a little wane on mine.

JB Griffin · March 30, 2015, 09:12:52 PM

On hardwood grade lumber your allowed up to half the length on the board for 1c and lesser, softwood.... ??? ??? ??? . Its just up to you an your customer.

tmarch · March 30, 2015, 09:25:25 PM

All of mine is measured to the nearest inch under and charged out at that, they think they got a deal and I don't have to deal with the trim. ;D

Chuck White · March 30, 2015, 09:28:12 PM

Quote from: Magicman on March 30, 2015, 07:26:57 PM
It depends upon the use, but personally I hate wane.

Framing lumber gets 3 square corners and the wane extending no more than ½ the board on the thin side and ¼ the board on the wide side.

I normally leave no wane on flat lumber but the kiln guy wanted a clear face with both good corners on the Cypress and Willow that I finished sawing today. It will be straight lined before T&G.

Many times the customer will pull lumber that I intend to edge saying that it is "good enough". I am more picky than most customers are.

This happen with me and my customers more times than not!

If the customer is not around, and I have a questionable board, I will flip it a couple of times and if it has a good square edge all the way around, I'll put it in the tally, if not it will go over in the free pile!

4x4American · March 30, 2015, 09:32:28 PM

wane and I get along okay but I prefer he stay out of my boards. If its for my personal use wane can hang out all he wants, if its for customer, minimal amount of wane. Don't want him to overstay his welcome

Magicman · March 30, 2015, 09:32:56 PM

Quote from: Chuck White on March 30, 2015, 09:28:12 PMIf the customer is not around, and I have a questionable board, I will flip it a couple of times and if it has a good square edge all the way around, I'll put it in the tally, if not it will go over in the free pile!

Yup, I am much more picky when the customer is not there.

terrifictimbersllc · March 30, 2015, 09:45:18 PM

John Wane was the best.

WoodenHead · March 30, 2015, 09:58:32 PM

Keeping in mind we are talking pine...Number 1 can obviously be sold. For boards like #2 and 3 I sometimes can use them "as is" for T&G where a bit of wain won't pose a problem with the finished product. Board #4 I will trim down to the next useable size until I get down to 1 x 4" where it becomes strapping if there is still a bit of wane.

For boards like #3 I have also used the situation as a means to give the customer a little "extra". If the board is 12', for example, I'll sell it as a 10' length. For the amount of time/effort it takes to either trim a single board down a size (length or width), I'm better off simply giving the customer a little extra wood.

red oaks lumber · March 31, 2015, 07:27:28 AM

i don't expect a customer to buy anything i wouldn't buy

and i'm picky

Jim_Wahl · March 31, 2015, 03:53:53 PM

Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 30, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
John Wane was the best.

And still is.

VTwoodworker · March 31, 2015, 05:32:30 PM

If I am cutting framing lumber and siding to sell, I like to square it up and limit the amount of wane. I sell my rough cut on the very high side of the market for this area. My prices make up for slightly less yield caused by removing the wane. This strategy has worked so far as word of mouth and quality has had me turning down some orders because I can't meet the schedule. I don't do a lot of custom sawing but when I do it seems like the cut list is often optimistic for the logs that they have. So you have that discussion with the customer about how much wane they will tolerate to get the number of 2x8s or what ever they need. I do sometimes hedge the bet by separating the questionable ones. If after inpsection by the customer they end up with too much wane I just put them back on the mill and edge them down to the next size.

If I had some relatively clear pine like some of your examples, I would also tolerate some additional wane because I would be selling it for woodworking or trim projects where the user would be ripping it anyway. I hate to edge off 2" of clear wood for half a length of a board. I have only a small retail market and this probably isn't the best strategy for others.

Wayne Symonds

customsawyer · March 31, 2015, 06:26:26 PM

I like your logic about wane, Wayne. :D

fishfighter · March 31, 2015, 09:31:14 PM

So, all this talk of wane. Is that live edge? I'm new to the game. Bear with me. ;D

Peter Drouin · March 31, 2015, 09:38:46 PM

Quote from: fishfighter on March 31, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
So, all this talk of wane. Is that live edge? I'm new to the game. Bear with me. ;D

Yes, Bark

fishfighter · March 31, 2015, 09:41:55 PM

Thanks, that is what I though. Been cutting it all off.

WDH · March 31, 2015, 09:42:08 PM

And the rounded edge of the tree trunk.

beenthere · March 31, 2015, 09:44:02 PM

Wane is absence of wood, and can be called live edge.. or bark. But think wane is the correct word. Live edge refers more to a product, not a characteristic. i.e. live edge boards have wane.
And like the others say.

low_48 · March 31, 2015, 09:47:10 PM

Quote from: 4x4American on March 30, 2015, 09:32:28 PM
wane and I get along okay but I prefer he stay out of my boards. If its for my personal use wane can hang out all he wants, if its for customer, minimal amount of wane. Don't want him to overstay his welcome

Love the dog behind the wheel photo, kinda reminds me of something!